[blowsomethingup]

I have some h110 I'd like to use in my raging bull using 300 grain speer jsp's.
I'm starting at 20 grains,anybody see any problems,or have any good data for h110?
I've heard 45 long colt brass is thinner/weaker than 44 magnum or 454 cases.
could I trim down and use 454 cases for 45 long colt to maximize case life?

 

[Walosi]

I'd never seen H110 loads for .45 Colt, so just to make sure, I ran my manuals again and checked a couple of sites - none, nada, zip. Hogdon doesn't list one in their data, either. Maybe the reason is that 20 gr. (in a .44 Mag.) generates 38,100 CUP. A good .45 Colt case (Win., Fed., or Starline) is as strong as a .44 Mag. case and is made with the same tempers and controls. The gun may take it, the case will handle it (and has, in Rugers, etc.) but if that is your starting load, y'all gonna live up to yore nic :roll:

 

[blowsomethingup]

the only h110 data I see are those for ruger/contender which are 5 shot wheelguns with stronger chambers.their loads max out at 24 grains,so I reduced to 20 grains and the rounds were right on,not super hot,but hot enough to feel some power/recoil that felt about right.I'm actually using wc820 and wc820 f surplus powders.the wc820f loads were 12 grains under both 250 and 300 grain jsp/jhp's.
I decided to just stick with starline 45 lc nickel brass.
anyone wishing to try these powders see jeff at gibrass.com.
I use the fast lot in 9mm,44 magnum,45acp and now 45lc.
wc820 is for 440,45lc and 50 ae.
thanks for the reply.

 

[Richard Jefferies]

No experience with H110, but a loooong time ago, when I was a teenager, I had a buddy who concocted a .45 Colt load with a 300 gr. .458 bullet swaged down to .451. IIRC, he used a duplex loading, and was achieving about 1300fps from a Contender. He shot a woodchuck with one; there was nothing left but a splash of gore and tufts of fur floating in the air.

If I need magnum power, I'll get a magnum. In the meantime, all I ask of a .45 Colt is to attain 1000fps w/a 200 gr. bullet, or 900fps with a 255.

 

[Art Eatman]

Raging Bull? As in .454 Casull? They're designed for some 45,000 psi or more?

Okay. Just dug out Hodgdon #26. It sez that 31.5 grains of H110 gives a 300-grain bullet some 1,780 ft/sec at 55,000 CUP, in the Casull-length case. This is their max load.

In a Ruger new model, for .45 Colt, 23.0 grains of H110 is max, at 30,000 CUP, giving 1,330 ft/sec.

If you're shooting the .45 Colt brass in the Bull, you could go up some, but the shorter case will give higher pressures more quickly. Be cautious. And don't forget that the shorter brass will result in a grunge buildup at the front of the cylinder. Not too bad with jacketed bullets, but a PITA with lead.

FWIW,

Art

 

[blowsomethingup]

no 454 yet
I'm shooting a 45 long colt raging bull with a six shot cylinder,but want to use 300 grain bullets for hunting.I just reduced the ruger/contender loads to 20 grains and the loads were right on.
I'll just stick to my current loads,they are accurate,and fun to shoot,the local shop only had 300 grainers and I wanted siome range time "

 

[Fortyfied]

...I've heard 45 long colt brass is thinner/weaker than 44 magnum or 454 cases.

...could I trim down and use 454 cases for 45 long colt to maximize case life?

Starline told me their 45Colt and 44Magnum cases are the same strength.

I've read somewhere the 454 brass won't work as a replacement for either.

The Buffalo Bore 45Colt 325gr lead load is rated at 1325fps, for use only in heavy duty modern firearms.

 

[LIProgun]

I've loaded Sierra's 300 grain JSP with 20.0 grains of Win 296, which is the same as H110. As I recall, I got the data from Sierra. The class of load is for the Ruger revolvers and Winchester and Marlin .45 Colt carbines. I haven't tested it in a handgun, but from a 16" Winchester 94 Trapper it gave an average of 1338 fps (ES=46 fps; SD=16.12). It shot pretty well, though I really haven't thoroughly tested it yet.

I think you will be just fine using modern .45 Colt brass for loads at this level.