[IrishCop]

I know that this isn't an "OMG!" moment or anything, but a point rarely made in the "Assault Weapons Ban" argument kinda hit me the other night.

Americans have traditionally been able to own a version of this countries main battle rifle since we've HAD issued main battle rifles. M-1903A3's, M-1's, M-1 Carbines, M-14's. We've been able to buy civilian legal AR-15's since 1963, when Colt first offered them.

There is nothing NEW about this. And of course, I suspect the tradition goes back further than the M1903...I'm just not knowledgeable enough to comment on that.

I know that "tradition" is not a legal argument, but you would think that it carry SOME weight in this debate.

Oh, I know. Harry Reid has said there are no provisions for a ban in the Bill being worked up. But he also said it could be offered as an amendment. I just don't think they're done yet.

 

[Kevin Gibson]

I know that this isn't an "OMG!" moment or anything, but a point rarely made in the "Assault Weapons Ban" argument kinda hit me the other night.

Americans have traditionally been able to own a version of this countries main battle rifle since we've HAD issued main battle rifles. M-1903A3's, M-1's, M-1 Carbines, M-14's. We've been able to buy civilian legal AR-15's since 1963, when Colt first offered them.

There is nothing NEW about this. And of course, I suspect the tradition goes back further than the M1903...I'm just not knowledgeable enough to comment on that.

I know that "tradition" is not a legal argument, but you would think that it carry SOME weight in this debate.

Oh, I know. Harry Reid has said there are no provisions for a ban in the Bill being worked up. But he also said it could be offered as an amendment. I just don't think they're done yet.

Tradition was seriously considered in the research that went into the Heller decision. Considering the viewpoint of the Heller Decision, it would be challenging at best to say a private citizen can't own a semi-auto version of our service rifle. But who knows, lawyers tend to do things that are unpredictable.

 

[spwenger]

The Operative Phrase...

...in the Heller ruling is "those in in common use for lawful purposes."

 

[Charlie Petty]

I would submit that the tradition of civilian ownership of "service" firearms goes back to the revolutionary war...before there even was a U.S. A.

 

[IrishCop]

I would submit that the tradition of civilian ownership of "service" firearms goes back to the revolutionary war...before there even was a U.S. A.

And I don't doubt that for a second, Charlie. Just wasn't sure of the facts on that, and didn't have the time to research.

This whole argument has raised my average blood pressure readings.

First it was "Saturday Night Specials"...so ill defined that it included S&W's and Colt's Chiefs Specials and Detective Specials.

Oh, and I remember them banning "Cop Killer Bullets"...even though no cop had ever been killed by one.

And the hell they raised about Glocks, and their "invisibilty" to metal detectors..."a terrorist gun" I think they called them.

Oh, and they made a stab at "Sniper Rifles" if I remember correctly...

These people are absolute opportunists...they will jump on ANY bandwagon they feel gives them an edge.

 

[ExSarge]

I don't want to see anybody hurt, but I would love to see Fienstein held up either on the street or in her house. Wonder what the opinion would be then. Probably better yet, if she was threatened would be to have a legal licensed CCW person capture the perp.
Opinions?

 

[spwenger]

Not Only...

...Did DiFi herself hold a unique San Francisco County CWP for many years, rumor has it that she sought a national carry permit - in the form of deputization as a Special Deputy US Marshal - when she first hit the Senate. The date of this DOJ memo negating the practice for members of Congress seems to match.

Good for me but not for thee.

 

[bearcat6]

Look at all the surplus rifles, trapdoors, Krags, etc. that companies like Bannerman sold.

 

[Kevin Gibson]

I don't want to see anybody hurt, but I would love to see Fienstein held up either on the street or in her house. Wonder what the opinion would be then. Probably better yet, if she was threatened would be to have a legal licensed CCW person capture the perp.
Opinions?

I wish no ill on anyone either, I'd just like to see her quietly go away. Just one of many career politicians I'd like to see just quietly go away...on both sides of the isle.

 

[TommyGunn]

I don't want to see anybody hurt, but I would love to see Fienstein held up either on the street or in her house. Wonder what the opinion would be then. Probably better yet, if she was threatened would be to have a legal licensed CCW person capture the perp.
Opinions?

I seem to recall she has been threatened and she and/or her husband having some kind of close encounter with a bomber.

I don't think there's anything on God's Green Earth that could change her mind on the gun issues we're discussing.

"EVENTUS STULTORUM MAGISTER."​

("Events are the teachers of fools.")​

 

[spwenger]

Perhaps...

I seem to recall she has been threatened and she and/or her husband having some kind of close encounter with a bomber.

...but that would not get anyone else a CWP in the City and County of San Francisco. Recall that she was mayor at the time of issuance.

(As an side, there was a time when San Francisco PD took the position that a CWP issued anywhere else in California was not valid in the city-county of San Francisco. I suspect that it was the threat of a lawsuit that "persuaded" them to recognize that, under California law, the only authority that can impose restrictions on where and when a California CWP is valid is the issuing authority.)

 

[Kevin Gibson]

...but that would not get anyone else a CWP in the City and County of San Francisco. Recall that she was mayor at the time of issuance.

(As an side, there was a time when San Francisco PD took the position that a CWP issued anywhere else in California was not valid in the city-county of San Francisco. I suspect that it was the threat of a lawsuit that "persuaded" them to recognize that, under California law, the only authority that can impose restrictions on where and when a California CWP is valid is the issuing authority.)

I have a friend who lives in SF and according to him, SF's policy hasn't changed regardless of the law. Look at the people who were thrown in jail traveling through NYC with firearms that were being transported legally according to federal law. These big cities just think they're above the law. And SF liberals are just so far intellectually advanced than all use non bay area heathens, how dare anyone question their logic.

 

[spwenger]

Apples and Oranges

I have a friend who lives in SF and according to him, SF's policy hasn't changed regardless of the law. Look at the people who were thrown in jail traveling through NYC with firearms that were being transported legally according to federal law. These big cities just think they're above the law. And SF liberals are just so far intellectually advanced than all use non bay area heathens, how dare anyone question their logic.

The City and County of San Francisco is a political subdivision of the State of California.

 

[shep854]

That point was raised during the debate over the '94 AWB, and perennially by those wanting to repeal the NFA.