So true! It's not THAT difficult to imagine him struggling with it and just as he gets it off, he fumbles the gun in some way and, feeling that he's lost control of it, he desperately and convulsively grabs/clutches for/at it and somehow manages to hit the trigger in the effort--perhaps even with his thumb. I'd have been less surprised if he'd shot someone to the right of him in this scenario, but I suppose it's possible the piece got turned around 180* or thereabouts. Well, it's obviously more than just possible, since something of the kind actually happened. :?William R. Moore said:Depending upon the age of the BHP, the safety may have been damn near impossible to disengage with any digit!
I've spent many, many hours of "TV time" teaching myself to manipulate a 1911 saftey left-handed. I've become proficient in both methods you mention, working it with either the left thumb or the left index finger.Charlie Petty said:I was in a class recently using a borrowed 1911 that did not have an ambi safety. I'm left handed and had a left handed holster. Several of the exercises were draw and fire and I first disengaged the safety with my weak hand, reaching over the gun.
An instructor suggested to try using my trigger finger to sweep the safety down during the presentation. That worked very well since I already had a good grip coming out of the holster my trigger finger wasn't busy so the safety was off with the gun in a safe downrange direction as my weak hand completed the grip.
I with you Kevin. Though these type of classes aren't required in Alabama, I was under the impression that most of the "qualifying" live fire shoots were pretty straight forward and simplistic. Some may have weak hand shooting, but I've never heard of that kind of weak- hand-draw-from-strong-side-holster-present-aim-fire drill in a concealed carry class. Not on a hot range, anyway.Kevin Gibson said:Sounds like they were doing "combat" style shooting training at a CCW class. It was my impression that CCW class were not supposed to be classes to teach someone how to shoot, but rather make sure that someone could safely handle a gun, and understand the laws pertaining to carrying a gun. The drill they were doing should have first been done with an unloaded weapon, sounds to me like they were in a hurry and decided to go right to live fire.
Yes, I believe that sort of thing is LFI-II course material, not LFI-I. I think there is some weak hand shooting in LFI-I, but not from the leather. That's in II, which is a pretty advanced course. (Been over 20 years since I took the classes so I might be a bit fuzzy about the weak hand stuff in I, but I know that in II we were taught how to run the gun completely, including reloading, weak-hand only, which is a very cool skill to have.)IrishCop said:I was under the impression that most of the "qualifying" live fire shoots were pretty straight forward and simplistic. Some may have weak hand shooting, but I've never heard of that kind of weak- hand-draw-from-strong-side-holster-present-aim-fire drill in a concealed carry class. Not on a hot range, anyway.
I think you're right about a little weak-hand being done at close range in LFI-I. There might have even been six rounds of that in the final-exercise qualifier.William R. Moore said:Gonna have to try to find time to check notes. I think I recall us doing one handed loading in LFI 1, but I'm not sure. The only support hand firing was 6 rounds at 7 yards or less.
Slight correction due to aging memory, it was 250 and 350 classes. 260 and 360 were shotgun classes which I also took. Thanks for the jog Tim.Retmsgt. said:I see negligence in the instructors' part here on alot of levels. A CCW class is NOT an advanced Self-Defense course. You're there to prove safe gun-handling and familiarity plus a modicum of Marksmanship.
We had a similar incident last year up in Adams County without the negligent death. Seems a Mall-ninja, for lack of a better term, got ahold of an Instructors'Card and was teaching CCW classes. Anyway, he was at the range teaching a class the live-fire part and had them doing 'Walk-ups' and changing hands halfway through, Strongside to weak. Then, a reload and firing while backing up. This would all be fine in an advanced Self-Defense course where it's confined to the instructor and one student at a time but, this Yo-Yo had the whole line doing it and people were everywhere. Unbeknownst to him, the Adams County Sheriff was watching as he waited to shoot and he stopped the class right there.
From what I understand he was charged with five counts of 'Reckless Discharge of a Firearm'(Five lanes).
I learned some weak-hand in the 260 Class I attended at Gunsite and more in the 360 Class. Had trouble in the 260(I'm Left-handed and this was before I discovered Ambi Thumb-safeties). After the first drill I just naturally started sweeping the Thumb-Safety with my Trigger-finger for Left-hand since my trigger-finger was outside and straight down the holster. For right or weak-hand it was hard getting used to using my right thumb, I kept trying to sweep the Thumb-safety with my right trigger-finger but, there was nothing there!!! Of course there was a remark from the head-instructor(You know who) about my Ambidextrous Thumb-safety disengagement.
As far as the above-mentioned incident with the death,as far as I'm concerned making a bunch of untrained people try a weak-hand draw and fire from a strongside holster is criminal. That's a move that requires alot of practice.