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NOT A JOKE.

the following large sign is posted at the enterance of SOUTHWEST SHOOTING AUTHORITY, 673 E White Mountain Blvd, Pinetop, AZ. Phone number 928-367-AK47. ============>

If you voted for Barrack Obama,
Your business is NOT WELCOME
at Southwest Shooting Authority,
as you have proven that you are
NOT responsible enough to own a firearm.

yours, sw
 

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Well, it works for me . . . . .:twisted:
 

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Kind of a moot point as Arizona's votes went for Romney.
 

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Kind of a moot point as Arizona's votes went for Romney.
Exactly.

Here's a question for everyone. Would you disavow all Democrat gun owners?

Understanding that they agree with you on issues of gun control, and are trying to change their party's stance; but also knowing that they disagree with you on most other issues related to the role of government? Do we accept each other's differences and come together on gun ownership. Or do we divide completely and have no association whatsoever?
 

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Kevin Gibson said:
....Understanding that they agree with you on issues of gun control...
[lawyerly intonation]Objection your honor; assuming facts not in evidence!!!!![/lawyerly intonation]
How do you know? Any particular democrat may be a Fudd who only believes in bolt action hunting rifles and all semi autos and handguns ought to be banned.
THAT does NOT agree with me on gun issues.:twisted:
 

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[lawyerly intonation]Objection your honor; assuming facts not in evidence!!!!![/lawyerly intonation]
How do you know? Any particular democrat may be a Fudd who only believes in bolt action hunting rifles and all semi autos and handguns ought to be banned.
THAT does NOT agree with me on gun issues.:twisted:
Okay, allow me to clarify. The one's who DO agree with you on gun ownership issues. I came across a forum last year called The Liberal Gun Club...very interesting forum.
It's full of guys who range from left leaning to sworn communists. When I was lurking to see how they talked about guns, I learned a few things that were interesting:

The forum is based in Chicago and many members are in that area.
They 100% agree with the Heller decision
They support concealed carry
They oppose any restriction on military style rifles or high capacity magazines
Most of them were into military or defensive weapons, not many who talked only hunting

So in most ways, I see those guys as right in line with the members of this forum on the issue of guns. But they wouldn't agree with members here on other issues related to guns.

Being from California, I have several friends who are left wing yet are into guns. In fact, the man who knows more about machineguns than anyone else I've ever met, is a died in the wool Democrat. Another friend who is a bit of a historian on SMG's, is pretty much a socialist. Both of these gents are really good guys, have been good friends for years even though we argue politics quite a bit. Both are frustrated with the Democrats on gun control, but neither one of them are "one issue" voters, so they won't vote for anyone on the right because of their politics. We maintain our friendship by respecting our differences, and focusing on our similarities.
 

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You probably won't like what I have to say about "pro gun socialists/communists."
While I "get" the ideas of not being single issue voters, do any of them realize that under a real socialist/communist government, there would be no 2nd amendment?


I have really only met one person who admited to be a communist. I think he was a bit miffed when I admitted a sneaking admiration for Stalin.. That perplexed him until I told him that it was because Stalin had managed to killed more communists than anyone else ever did.:twisted:
Come to think of it....I never saw that guy again ......:sm_angel:
 

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You probably won't like what I have to say about "pro gun socialists/communists."
While I "get" the ideas of not being single issue voters, do any of them realize that under a real socialist/communist government, there would be no 2nd amendment?

I have really only met one person who admited to be a communist. I think he was a bit miffed when I admitted a sneaking admiration for Stalin.. That perplexed him until I told him that it was because Stalin had managed to killed more communists than anyone else ever did.:twisted:
Come to think of it....I never saw that guy again ......:sm_angel:
Well I didn't go there to engage anyone in a political debate, just reporting what I saw. I don't actually know any Communists either, but I don't think from a purely political standpoint that Communism HAS to preclude gun ownership. But I must admit to not being much of an authority on Communism. I read a good deal of Marx many years ago, but I don't think I read the entire Communist manifesto because I will admit much of it went right over my head. Marx's Communist Manifesto has a LOT of very intricate detailed references to European history, and in my 20's I just didn't understand European history enough to grasp the points he was trying to make.

But all that's beside the point. What I'm getting at is; if someone is of very different political preference, but agrees with you on the issue of gun control, would you not want to associate with that person at all, even at a shooting range?
 

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How people respond to 2nd amendment issues is only opart of it. Of course it is nice when someone agrees. Even disagreement is acceptable so long as it is possible to discuss or debate the issue without getting hot under the collar.
There's a lot of things about politics & personality that can cause problems and not all is even gun related by a longshot.
I tend to have very low regard for communists and socialists and only part of it is because regimes that go down those roads tend to be dictatorial or totalitarian.
These political ideologies are very poor when it comes to economic theory and personal liberty. They are, however, pretty good ways for small groups of people to control a large group. This especially so of communism.
Not all such systems are really equal or the same with regards to guns. It is a matter of history, for example, that when that loathsome little nothing of an excuse for a human being, Lee Harvey Oswald, defected to the Soviet Union, he and other associates there went hunting on occasion. So even though the USSR had no second amendment per se, guns were not totally denied to the people. However, they did have to pick them up at a local militia or constabulary house, the simple hunting rifles they were permited were not kept at home.
The majority of people there at the time, however, were hardly revolutionary or insurgents....they were pretty tamed by the system.
And, no handguns. They could be hidden easily. A rifle? Not so easy.

I look at the people in America now who seem to adhere to these leftists philosophies and I believe that they're horribly niave. They have no clue what socialism or communism really is, and if they address the issue at all they claim that, well, "Stalin & Lenin didn't do it right. It wasn't pure communism/socialism it was a distorted sick perversion of it."
Bull hockey.
It was what it was.
The fools who believe it was --- or could be, some kind of equality based utopia ...they just don't "get" human nature.
I don't suffer those people very well.
That's just me I suppose.
 

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Well I wasn't trying to have a discussion of communism, nor will you ever find me as an apologist for communism; I loathe it.

My question was, do we disavow people altogether because their political philosophy is different? Back to the sign at the shooting range.
 

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Well, I already did weigh in on that.

It helps me manage my blood pressure.......
 
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