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·experienced combat vets said that out to about 75m, the .30 Carbine, even with ball ammo, did ok. In fact, many of them preferred the .30C to the Garand, even against dug in, battle hardened Germans, defending their homelands, who had belt feds, mortars, and long range Mauser bolt actions. They found that the 15 rd box mag, and the lw of the Carbine and its ammo, meant more than the "range, penetration, and power" of the Garand.
Gentlemen, the military is not going to change rifles or rds because we say so. So all we can reasonably concern ourselves with is what rifle WE keep ready, for shtf. We can use good softpoint ammo in our 223's, and if we do so, we have a round that has twice the effectiveness of the 30 C ball rd. If we scope even a "shorty" AR 15, we have twice the effective range of a .30 Carbine and iron sights.
We do not face the Wehrmacht, and we do not have to take or hold any ground. So the 223 suffices just fine, and it offers us considerable advantages over the 308. There's the .22 lr conversion unit, for building real speed of hitting, from either shoulder, and for quiet foraging for food, if need be. There are the short, already threaded (for a "flashhider") barrels, which make it pretty simple to install a sound suppressor. A truly effective suppressor for a 308, using full charge ammo and rapidfire, is so large and heavy that it ruins the rifle for speed work. Such an effective "can" for a 223 leaves the rifle still "handy". Not having any "flash" at night, and not betraying your presence to every enemy within a 2 mile radius, is a very nice thing, if shtf and you have to shoot to survive.
Gentlemen, the military is not going to change rifles or rds because we say so. So all we can reasonably concern ourselves with is what rifle WE keep ready, for shtf. We can use good softpoint ammo in our 223's, and if we do so, we have a round that has twice the effectiveness of the 30 C ball rd. If we scope even a "shorty" AR 15, we have twice the effective range of a .30 Carbine and iron sights.
We do not face the Wehrmacht, and we do not have to take or hold any ground. So the 223 suffices just fine, and it offers us considerable advantages over the 308. There's the .22 lr conversion unit, for building real speed of hitting, from either shoulder, and for quiet foraging for food, if need be. There are the short, already threaded (for a "flashhider") barrels, which make it pretty simple to install a sound suppressor. A truly effective suppressor for a 308, using full charge ammo and rapidfire, is so large and heavy that it ruins the rifle for speed work. Such an effective "can" for a 223 leaves the rifle still "handy". Not having any "flash" at night, and not betraying your presence to every enemy within a 2 mile radius, is a very nice thing, if shtf and you have to shoot to survive.