[Speedy]

just want to see whats out there.. im new to 9mm

 

[Fernando Coelho]

Triton Hi-Master 9mm 135 grain at 980 fps. Real tight standard deviations and extreme spreads. Also real accurate and mild to shoot. Dave Sevigny won many a match and spanked many a shooter with that load.

I know... I know, you can't find that ammo anywhere. Spent so much time working on that load I just had to mention it.

 

[john wall]

best 9mm non +p

speedy
right now, the best rated 9x19 non +p is the remington golden sabre 147 gr. this is from the intl' wound ballistics assn' (iwba) they can be found on

http://www.firearmstactical.com/index.htm

these guys have a wealth of govt' info and testing. iwba does govt' type testing, does not take industry money, and will flame bad products. check them out.

 

[Steve in Utah]

Standard Speer Gold Dots in 124-gr. perform very well. See the Ammoman for heavily discounted prices.

http://www.Ammoman.com

 

[firefly]

My picks depending on circumstance, are Starfire 124gr, GoldDot 115gr, or Remington GoldenSabre 124.

 

[armoredman]

Evan Marshalls' research indicated even the bargain brand of WalMart sol Winchester white box and Remigton bulk pack 115gr JHP do very well against the top name brands. I use the Rem 115gr stuff right now - it allows a lot of practice on a budget while still giving decent performance as an SD JHP, from what I have been told.

 

[trobertson5-0]

First of all,why limit yourself to non +P? Any quality weapon can handle at least a limited diet of the +P stuff,and it really takes the 9mm to a different level. If I had to limit myself it would be to plain ole Federal 9BP 115gr JHP. TJR

 

[MikeO]

How do ya define "best"?

Different strokes for different folks?

Averages for the entire 8 event/40 shot FBI test series:

115 Win ST 11.4/.54/35% at least 12 inches
147 Win JHP 14/.46/62.5%
115 Fed +P+ 9BPLE 11.5/.50/35%
124 Fed HS 14.7/.48/82.5%
147 Fed HS 17.2/.51/82.5%
147 Rem GS 12.9/.57

Through 4 layers of denim into gelatin:

124 +P Speer Gold Dot 16/.56
124 GD 16.6/.51
147 GD 16.7/.53
147 GS 18.3/.58
115 Fed std 9BP JHP 14/.54

Through pig rib embedded 2 inches in gel block:

Fed 115 JHP at 1300 fps 11.3/.53
Rem 147 GS at 990 fps 15.2/.61

Through auto glass:

Win 127 +P RT 9.4/.48
Rem 124 +P GS 10.5/.55
Rem 147 GS 11.3/.54

 

[firefly]

First off, I reload all my defense ammo except Starfire, because you can't buy the SF bullets seperatly, and all my loads average 1150 fps. I shoot an older HP, and don't want to stress it anymore than I have to. My reloads cost about five bucks a box, the WalMart bulk Win. fmj cost twelve bucks a hundred, and I only buy these for the brass. I'll go for decent shot placement over 50-100 fps every time.

 

[cheygriz]

For many years the "gold standard" for non +P ammo for law enforcement was the Federal 115 gr 9BP. It worked for LE for several decades, and it will work just as well today.

 

[livnreklis]

124gr Speer gold dot all the way. I have done my own ballistic testing,with dry wall plywood, water jugs stuffed with water and toilet paper to thicken it up, even used hardwood dowells to simualate ribs, and put a sweat shirt over the whole thing. And tried and true the gold dot always expanded the way it should with no core jacket seperation. The 115gr would expand but the penitration was not all that good. But another side note what ever ammo you use, it will all do the job. Once a person knows they have been shot, trust me the situation is over from there.....

 

[steve marshall]

Just for reference, not all people react to being shot like the bad guys in a movie. I had an acquaintance who was shot with an AK, SKS take your pick and we had to tell him after the fact.

 

[Catbird33]

I have read extensively on this very subject. I have come to the conclusion(s) that...

1) for standard velocity (non +P) 9mm ammunition, I will use Winchester Ranger "T" series 147 grain JHPs - RA9T
2) when high velocity 9mm ammunition is desired, I will use Winchester Ranger "T" series 127 grain +P+ JHPs - RA9TA.

 

[livnreklis]

Thats the good thing about AK's (7.62x39). They zip right through and keep a good straight line. A few of my fellow soldiers lives were saved cause of this.