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Classics, State of the Art, & SHTF

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At a gun show this weekend sitting behind a table resting, while a friend took a nature break. Two guys next to our table got into a pretty interesting discussion. The kind of discussion that only gun nuts would find themselves in.

One guy was an old fart like me, and the other guy was probably in his late 30's to early 40's.

So the older guy was a 1911 kinda guy, and the younger guy liked H&K's. The older guy was looking a very nice L1A1 build on an IMBEL receiver. The whole thing was built up VERY nice, wood furniture and a very nice SUIT(TriLux) scope; very cool cold war era rifle.

His bud was telling him that he could get a Colt AR with a Trijicon for that price. Older guy says, "That's cool, but it's not what I want."

Younger guy says, "If the SHTF, which would you rather have in your hand".
Older guy; "The AR of course, but if the SHTF, the L1A1 will get the job done"
Younger; "You'd willingly pick the lesser rifle"
Older; "Yes...Look, what are the chances I'll need a rifle for a SHTF? About 10x lower than being struck by lightning, so why not have the rifle you love, rather than buying the perfect rifle for an event that is extremely unlikely to happen"

So the other guy went into the predictable rant about "having the best" and why have something less than the best.

So anyhow, got me thinking about how anal gun people can be. There was another guy there who told the H&K guy, "I only own WWI era guns, mostly British. And if the S ever did HTF, that's what I'll call on to get the job done."

The H&K guy was incredulous.

I just found the whole exchange VERY entertaining. The reaction from the H&K guy was not an uncommon reaction. Go over to ARFCOM and watch those people debate the most minute details with a rabid intensity. Guys who think their choice of this 124 grain JHP vs. that 124 grain JHP is a "huge difference" and make the differences sound as vast as a .25 ACP vs a .357 magnum.

So, how do you feel about being armed with one of the "classics" in a SHTF scenario? Or do you only buy the latest & greatest?
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the whole point of seal team is TEAM- when one has to depend on oneself, better to make a barricaded defended position and let TROUBLE COME TO YOU rather than go looking- I just recently saw a Chinese made film in which a Japanese patrol was looking for Chinese soldiers- well, this little bugger had laid out GRENADES in strategic positions and when he japs( yea, I know) got close, he'd shoot the grenade and get a good 3 or 4 with one shot- well they finally hunted him down against a wall, shot him dead and he fell off the roof- but he was wired to more grenades so the whole building went up- now THAT'S thinking
That musta been a downright crappy way to go... :eek:mg:

*dodges flying fruit*

Sorry, just couldn't help myself... :eek:
what you never pulled the grenade in the chitter routine - I thought EVERYBODY in theatre did that one- typically it was an azzhole officer or suppy sargent or something not a frag grenade mind you but something like goofy grape - somebody we wanted "promoted" to rear echelon
I was watching bridge on the river kwai last night and it struck me how "wrong" tHat movie was- about the only viable part were the stens and the detonator- of course , being an ex sto, our whole reason d'etre was blowing up bridges, warfs, docking facilities, etc- a light team on an sbi from a sub off shore could have accomplished the mission with far less -but since it was a BRITISH army "show" they were locked into the landlubber mindbox- ie it had to be done in the army WAY- ie parachute into country, march overlan d, get to river deploy, and return- and wtf didn't they use a contact dtonator- ie when the engine contacts the detonator the works goes off- it struck me that the whole op was ad hoc

Fyi, Joe told me that "The Big General" was always escorted everywhere by a team of Japanese Secret Police & the only way that they could figure out to catch him alone was on "the throne", so they put an explosive charge IN the privy hole with a 30 second delay after he sat down.

He said that little was found of either the General, "his private outhouse" or most of his guards. = Evidently a good-sized BOOM.

yours, sw
so he wasn't entirely fos, but halfway-
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