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Snake45

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These leftists are truly amazing. I'm surprised he didn't blame George Bush.
 
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Typical liberal, poor little monkeys have to be protected by their white liberal masters....
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At least the guy took the ultimate responsibility for his own actions.
Another case of too much too fast I suspect. Should have separated.
Geoff
Who has 20/20 hindsight.
 
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Reports are now saying that Belcher "...suffered from head injuries and use of pain killers."

Won't be long now, guys. They've been hammering the "concussion" issue for a few months now. The pale faced, tofu eating, put helmets and pads on bicycle rider crowd is looking to kill football. It's just so savage, you know.

Now look. I have no doubt that a lot of professional football players sustain injuries during their careers. Getting whacked at full speed by a 275 pound linebacker who's doing his best to dislocate every bone in your body is probably not good for you.

But to blame undocumented "brain damage" due to the sport for every suicide, depression or domestic violence act committed by current or ex football players just bad science. How about pro boxers? No headgear, constant blows to the head. Yes, they suffer brain damage (Look at Muhammed Ali) but no reports of higher than normal suicide rates or acts of violence.

We all know that ball players get a pass in school (high school, college). Then when they are recruited and paid enormous sums of money they are left to their own devices and just can't handle it. A local boy (Rolando McLain) was drafted by the Raiders. He is quickly swirling in the toilet bowl that is his personal life, about to be cut loose from a multi-million dollar contract. You can take the man out of the hood, but you can't take the hood out of the man.
 
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I can agree with some of what he said:

The 2nd Amendment did make provision for that gun to be there
Yes, we ARE desensitized to gun violence, and murder


Gun control can and has worked in some societies, but those societies bear absolutely NO resemblance to the US. We have over 100 million guns in private possession. We have a cultural history with guns very much like people in the Middle East do. To think that you can just remove all the guns is the most foolish notion I can imagine.

Gun violence seems (anecdotally) to be on the rise, and that really concerns me as a citizen, parent, and gun owner. I don’t know what the answer is, but I do know that doing away with guns is a fools notion; you will never get them all. And until you can ensure that NO ONE has guns, I’m not big on the idea of giving mine up; and I’m pretty confident I’m not alone in that notion.
 
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I think the murder rate has actually been going down.... hasn't it?

As far as gun control working in some societies, I would question that. Maybe it's perceived to work when the actual causes for the supposed reduction in crime (the ostensive reason for gun control) was, in fact, something else.
I recall, for example England, which during the period of the twentieth century, enacted ever stronger gun control laws, only to see the murder rate during this time rise 150%. Did the murder rate rise because of the gun control laws or was there another reason and the gun control laws simply result from a misbegotten attrempt to ameliorate a growing murder rate?
IT would be difficult in this case to claim success since the murder rate rose, but steadfast guncontrollers would tell us had the gun control laws not been enacted the murder rate would have gone up, say, 175% or maybe 200%
The problem there of course is those claims are not subject to proof. You can't go back in time, undo the laws, and find out what resulted.
And one can make similar claims about other cultures all of which might involve doing "what if?" scenarios without the law in question being enacted.

I don't think it's ever been scientifically demonstrated that gun control works, ever.
It simply winds up being a tool used by politicians whose end goal, really, is people control, not gun control.
 
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TommyGunn said:
I think the murder rate has actually been going down.... hasn't it?

As far as gun control working in some societies, I would question that. Maybe it's perceived to work when the actual causes for the supposed reduction in crime (the ostensive reason for gun control) was, in fact, something else.
I recall, for example England, which during the period of the twentieth century, enacted ever stronger gun control laws, only to see the murder rate during this time rise 150%. Did the murder rate rise because of the gun control laws or was there another reason and the gun control laws simply result from a misbegotten attrempt to ameliorate a growing murder rate?
IT would be difficult in this case to claim success since the murder rate rose, but steadfast guncontrollers would tell us had the gun control laws not been enacted the murder rate would have gone up, say, 175% or maybe 200%
The problem there of course is those claims are not subject to proof. You can't go back in time, undo the laws, and find out what resulted.
And one can make similar claims about other cultures all of which might involve doing "what if?" scenarios without the law in question being enacted.

I don't think it's ever been scientifically demonstrated that gun control works, ever.
It simply winds up being a tool used by politicians whose end goal, really, is people control, not gun control.
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I kinda had Japan in mind when I said that it has worked in SOME societies. Japan has always had strict restrictions on weapons of all kinds going back to centuries before there were guns. In that particular society, gun violence is rather rare because guns themselves are fairly rare. Not to say there are no guns, criminals are always able to get their hands if they're hell bent enough and throw enough money at the problem. But for the most part, Japan really doesn't have much of a gun violence problem. But that's a very unique society that has absolutely NO correlation to ours.
 
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This article shows that the media can double down on stupid:

"Sports gets so much attention, and people tune out the real world, that I try to take advantage of the opportunity to talk about the real world when sports lends itself to that and try to open people's eyes," Whitlock said.

"You know, I did not go as far as I'd like to go because my thoughts on the NRA and America's gun culture - I believe the NRA is the new KKK. And that the arming of so many black youths, uh, and loading up our community with drugs, and then just having an open shooting gallery, is the work of people who obviously don't have our best interests [at heart]."
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The quote is from sports columnist Jason Whitlock who was talking about the murder/suicide.
 
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TooTall said:
This article shows that the media can double down on stupid:

The quote is from sports columnist Jason Whitlock who was talking about the murder/suicide.
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Sooo, the Add-a-Dollar I've been donating to the NRA every time I buy something from Brownell's is being used to provide guns and drugs to inner-city youths! I'll be durned! Learn something new every day.

What a putz!
 
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Kevin Gibson said:
I kinda had Japan in mind when I said that it has worked in SOME societies. Japan has always had strict restrictions on weapons of all kinds going back to centuries before there were guns. In that particular society, gun violence is rather rare because guns themselves are fairly rare. Not to say there are no guns, criminals are always able to get their hands if they're hell bent enough and throw enough money at the problem. But for the most part, Japan really doesn't have much of a gun violence problem. But that's a very unique society that has absolutely NO correlation to ours.
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One thing I learned about how the Japanese police work; they keep a strict accounting of felony cases they expect to be able to solve. If they begin a case and it looks like they will wind up with what we'd call a "cold case," they don't. This seems to result in giving the police a rosier picture of success than might be the truth. It's hard to really quantify this meaningfully given this unusual methodology.
Other countries also use different (perhaps more honest methods, but still different) methodologies in how they analyze their own problems. Unrelated to crime and guns, for example, some countries make it seem their infant mortality rate is significantly better than it really is (and perhaps better than ours) by not counting new births until they're several months old and the risk of death has substantially lessened.
This should tell us to be very careful when people try to point out how other countries do things when they are trying to convince us we're doing it wrong and need to adopt some foreign methods for our own problems.
Things are not always what they seem.
And I'm not trying to "pick" on foreign countries .... I'm sure great examples could be found in America of how we "fudge" numbers to make things seem better -- or worse (depending on our agenda) than they are.
 
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Sooo, the Add-a-Dollar I've been donating to the NRA every time I buy something from Brownell's is being used to provide guns and drugs to inner-city youths! I'll be durned! Learn something new every day.

What a putz!
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Congratulations, you're a gunrunner and drug kingpin by proxy...prolly a pimp, too. I'm so proud of you, my brother! ;):D:D:D
 
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To All,

FYI, The sort of "gun control" , that the leftists dream about, has NEVER worked anyplace where it has been tried, including:

1. NAZI Germany,
2. Czarist Russia,
3. Castro's Cuba,
4. Mussolini's Italy
5. French-occupied Algeria.
and/or
6. The old USSR.

yours, sw
 
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