[Onyx]

Just recently purchased a nice little CZ-52, was excited to get it out and put some 7.62 down range... purchased a small box (32 rounds) of ammo right there at the gun shop, and picked up another box from a bud who has a couple of the old TT-33's took it out to the range, this is what happened.

the weapon fires the round, there is little to no recoil... so, I pull the mag, wait a few, eject the casing, and the barrel is clear, good to go... this happens multiple times, every now and again there would be just enough recoil to get the action to pinch the casing that was attempting to leave, the weapon looks like new, this is two different boxes of ammo, from different parts of the country, but is surplus, and I dont know the origins of the ammo...

so does anybody have any suggestions as to what to check out? if it might be light primer strikes? (ive never had this issue with light primer strikes before) maybe a worn out barrel? it doesnt look bad to the eye... Firing pin is fine, you can cycle this with your hand all day long, and it will chamber/extract every time.

V/R,

Onyx

 

[Onyx]

another thing

Something I thought might help out, is the ammo that I was using has the 3 crimp, not the nice smooth stuff.

 

[Skeptic49]

Only thing I can suggest off hand is get a manual on line and make sure the pistol is properly assembled.
The Makarov Page - The CZ-52
You might also try a blog or two by search.

Geoff
Who notes the WWW. Makarov.com is an Archive, not an active board. Owners found a better way to make a buck I suspect.

 

[Skeptic49]

You might check the barrel and mic the diameter. As noted above there were after market barrels in odd and not so odd calibers, it should have a caliber mark of some kind on the breech somewhere. Check your rollers for distortion as well.
Geoff
Who is going back to bed.

 

[Onyx]

thank you gentlemen, I'll be taking a look here shortly before I myself hit the rack.

 

[Onyx]

ok, well, not having any tools laying around to measure this out, I pulled one of these rounds apart to use the bullet as a size reference... and I'm pretty sure I have figured out the problem... this barrel is much larger... hmmn, I think I might have to give my gun shop a call... you can drop the round straight through the barrel... and there is a GIANT gap... it can rattle from side to side... so there is the recoil issue... almost 100% blow by, what do you think this barrel is made to shoot?

 

[Charlie Petty]

Assuming you got the 7.62x25 ammo commonly used what did the fired cases look like? Were they more or less unchanged after firing or was the bottleneck blown out.

There have been reports of the CZ being rebarreled to 9mm

 

[t-star]

well it is a drop- in for the tokarev,so maybe the cz as well- i've got a tokarev 9mm and all you do is drop in the barrel- but there's no marking to indicate the barrel has been changed- even the mags fit

 

[stand watie]

to Onyx; all,

I'm wondering if it's a 9x25mm wildcat, with nothing but the bullet diameter changed?
(Reddington made the dies for a while.)

In any case, you need to have the pistol checked-out by a pro, imVho.

yours, sw

 

[Kevin Gibson]

to Onyx; all,

I'm wondering if it's a 9x25mm wildcat, with nothing but the bullet diameter changed?
(Reddington made the dies for a while.)

In any case, you need to have the pistol checked-out by a pro, imVho.

yours, sw

There were a good deal of 9mm Luger CZ 52 barrels being sold several years back, I wonder if Onyx has a 9mm CZ 52?

 

[stand watie]

Kevin Gibson,

I, too, thought of that BUT will a 7.62x25 round chamber/fire in a 9x19mm barrel?

yours, sw

 

[t-star]

i know you can with the tok- it's like firing a 308 in an 06 chamber- really sloppy and the front end "blows out"

 

[Skeptic49]

There were a good deal of 9mm Luger CZ 52 barrels being sold several years back, I wonder if Onyx has a 9mm CZ 52?

The few 9mm barrels I've seen were marked with an impact engraver 9mm Luger. One at a gun show was marked on the concealed side of the chamber (go figger) I looked at a kit which included a new firing pin, new rollers and barrel in 9mm x 19, but I had a new TZ-75 and it didn't make much sense to get a single stack 9mm conversion that was BIGGER!

Geoff
Who notes he has been buying more 9x19 lately. :mrgreen:

 

[Onyx]

casings crack

the 7.62 casings would fire form / split open, like you said, very much like pushing a 308 down a 30-06, My shop isnt open today... so I suppose I will end up waiting till the morning... again... im thinking its probably a 9 mil of some sort, but I dont feel like playing Russian roulette with different ammunition, now the magazine is the original Parkerized one... and for not getting an extra MAG, and not being told that it didnt have an original barrel, Im feeling 300 dollars worth of a paper weight... (minding that just a few years ago they ran for less than 100)

I found an original barrel for 75 bucks, but I dont know if that will require new rollers or not... I have some pictures here of everything... I just dont have the means to upload them just yet.

 

[stand watie]

Onyx,

And you bought the paperweight, when?
And you bought the 32 rounds from the same shop?
And you kept the receipts for one or preferably BOTH?
OR
You paid for one or both with a paper check, debit card and/or credit card?

yours, sw

 

[Onyx]

Ive got receipts

Ive go documentation on everything, I bought on this on thursday, hell I like the pistol, but I was particularly attracted to the round it fires, not that I dont want it if its a 9mm I just would like them to at least swap ammo with me... but the odds are, they didnt have a clue that it was 9, even though they "test" every weapon that they sell. (the smith tests all the weapons, but he is only in 2 - 3 days a week) and I feel there was a severe lack of communication there. either way, I plan on keeping the thing, as long as it fires something somewhat reliably.

 

[Charlie Petty]

Thought so.

IMO you are better off with it if it is truly 9mm Luger. Ammo is cheaper. You can tell easily by just taking the barrel out and trying a 9mm cartridge. If it fits properly all is well no new parts needed and the magazine should be fine.

Then get them to give you some proper ammo and then find a shop that really does check stuff

 

[t-star]

forgive me for stating the obvious, but you could at least get the bore diameter with a set of calipers- then all you have to do is determine case length