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:shock: To Day For the first time in my life I'm ready to Buy and Own
a Hand Gun. For self defence or whatever I want to call it.
It's my American Right,!! By God ..
After seeing the slaughter just 1.5 miles from my house where
6 young people were beaten to death % Stabbed.
Can you understand my concern and amazement that this can happen so close to my home. Well I've have awakened to the fact
that the Police and their so called protection is not going to help
You when someone is beating the crap out of you head and cutting the eyes out of your head "with your own kitchen knives no less".
To Day I am going to buy myself a hand Gun, learn how to use it, get the nessary licence's to carry it , So that when the next ********, or Island ******, want's to take what I prize most, my life, and the lives of my family. They are going to find a big Woop Ass coming .. It's called Kill the bastard in my house that is threat to me or my family. " Go Ahead a Laugh" but when It's happening to You ...You will not have time to go out and buy your protection in time for your family or sit and wait for the "So called" police to show up to tell you "Well we didn't see anything so we can' Arrest the Purps.
Now if Some Knowledgble Individual out there would like to respond to my Proclamation % call for help.. since I have not bought the weapon yet.... I would like some feed back. Like what type of Hand Gun to buy etc. I know this much, I want something big enough to put the SOB down . And I also know that they have to be in my home when it happens...trying to kill me or my family.

So If anyone has the BALLS to respond,, in this day and age of Bleeding Heart Liberals who would rather lay down and get the Crap beat out of them. THEN GIVE Me A Shout..

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While I can understand your alarm at having such a brutal crime take place so close to you, your request for information in the form of a challenge (i.e., "So If anyone has the BALLS to respond...") is unnecessary. There's no need for a chip on your shoulder here.

That said, you are wise to have included "learn how to use it" on your to-do list. I suggest locating an NRA-certified Basic Pistol or Personal Protection instructor in your area, and signing on for one or both courses. You can locate instructors on the NRA website, or ask at local shooting ranges or gun shops.

As for what gun to buy, the best thing you can do is try to handle and/or fire several different types to see what fits your hand, points well for you, and which you can shoot well. Many instructors will have different guns you can try, and you should be able to find shooting ranges that will rent guns you can try. There are so many used and new, quality firearms on the market that making meaningful specific suggestions at this early stage in your search would be pretty pointless. General suggestions would include looking for calibers no smaller than .38 Special in revolvers, and 9x19mm (aka 9mm Luger or Parabellum) in pistols, and looking at brand names that have reputations for reliability and durability.

Feel free to ask more specific questions when you've started looking into the basics for yourself.
 

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So If anyone has the BALLS to respond,, in this day and age of Bleeding Heart Liberals who would rather lay down and get the Crap beat out of them. THEN GIVE Me A Shout..

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Duck,

You need to remember that you are not on an Anti gun board or one of the gun boards that people take an advisarial postion against those who post. While your tone leaves alot to be desired, you came to the right place to get information. Rob gave you some good suggestions for a starting point, and once you have a better idea what you are interested in, please come back and ask specific questions that we can help you with.

For a newbie in the gun ownership, I would suggest looking at either a revolver or a double action semi-auto. Depending upon how much money you have budgeted would decide what guns you should look at.
 

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Two suggestions?
First,try to relax.You've mentioned a VERY stressful expierience & obviously don't want it to happen to you.Good.
Second,try not to be talked into getting a cannon if it's your first handgun.A 9mm or .38/357 pistol/revolver is a pretty good place to start.Ammo is relatively inexpensive & the recoil is mild.Don't think though that either is a "starter" gun.Both calibers can do the job if you do your part.
You can probably find a used Ruger,Taurus,or S&W .38 revo for +/- $200.
A Browning Hi-Power clone,a Beretta 92,Taurus92,& etc. autoloader will set you back $250-$400 used.
Another thing you may want to try is a .22.You can practice ALOT w/a $250 .22 pistol.When you're comfortable then move "up"to a centerfire.
 

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i have a few comments of my own, first off, try not to so hostile, this is a very pr o gun forum, were all here to help, listen to what mikegunner and the others have to say, theve been at this longer than i have. that said, my suggestion would be that, if you are new to the world of fire arms, i would tell you two simple things i was told once "up to a point, there is no substute for cubic inches" that said, dont get a .475 or sme huge handcannon, get a double action revolver, a .357mag /.38 special is a good start, for an automatic, a colt 1911 .45 Automatic is my new personal "packin pistol" second, "in a gun fight, if possible bring a longgun" now, this is pretty basic, a handgun range is pretty limited compared to a good M-14 or AR-15, but a good Pump-Action Shotgun will do the job too, in my opnion it will do it better in a domestic situation since shots are rarley over 50 yards, usuly threre accross the room, so a good Mossberg 500, remington 870, winchester model 12 (the old model 12's are realy good since you can just hold down that trigger and start pumping the action.....and you've got an automatic!) will do exceptionaly well, loaded full of 00 or 000 buckshot, there next to unbeatable at close range. get your self a good handgun, but get a good shotgun too....there hard to beat!
 

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Well!, Thanks a Lot people, I understand how you feel. It has'nt happened to you YET!
You still like shooting at targets and Big & Little Animals as they move through the Woods.
I own the other hand have Animals in my neighbor hood that like to take the lives of Innocent Boys and Girls as they sleep in their beds.
Just recently, I 've learned that a drug dealer is living at the end of my street, where I live !! The S._.B. is selling right out of his home and car to kids.
OF COURSE the "Law Inforcement" has been called and notified , for what good that does. Ha!
You know they have to "SEE " them doing it......he..he....

Well, anyway,
I just wanted to say hello to Mike Gunner & this Jag 45 Colt in ,up state, N.Y. "Hello"

Mike I bought the Vazuero 45/Ruger...What a beautiful GUN...Wow
and I Love the Kick..........now that's a weapon.....I do believe it can rip a hole through 5" of Solid Wood. and still keep traving to get some more........Ha ha........

Jag 45 Colt, I just have to agree with you there is nothing like
"00" & "000" from a shotgun......BUT...... there is just too much
Collateral Damage like walls, door casings, windows. etc.
You know the stuff you want to keep after catching the S._.O. in your house at night around 3 or 4 o-clock in the A.M.
And He or She is blown to S_it . for being were they should not have been in the first place. Like Robbing you or trying to cut your head off. while you sleep......Oh Well you nice Hunters just don't have to deal with the daily lives of Human beings trying to Survive.

Have A nice Day,

P.S. sorry for sounding like I have a chip on my shoulder, but being a X-Marine I don't like to have to be on the defensive . I plan Way........Ahead for the real thing...
you 'all come a visit sometime...By Now..
 

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...but being a X-Marine I don't like to have to be on the defensive .
I thought Marines prefer the terms, "former" or "retired". Being an X-Marine sounds sorta like being with the X-Men. Now if you were, you wouldn't worry about the neighborhood. A simple phone call to Wolverine would solve any problem.

In all seriousness, don't assume that everyone on this board lives in the country and doesn't know what crime is all about. I for one lived in Brooklyn, NY and Yonkers, NY. Both had their fare share of drug dealers, violent criminals, and gang bangers on every other block. Try delivering Kung-Fu videos to the video shops in Brownsville and Brooklyn Heights. Going armed means nothing when you are outgunned.

You'll find quite a few "been there, done that" type people on this board. A few can even be considered "high speed, low drag", a term a Marine like yourself should appreciate.

Enjoy the forum.
 

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I Am, I Do and I'll Kill anything that's trying to hurt my family of myself. Where ever they come from N.Y., N.J., or timBuck2.
Have A Nice Day.
 

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Somebody needs to dial back on the testosterone a tad, drop the "I'm-the-real-deal-gonna-screw-you-up-and-the-rest-of-you-are-bambi-huntin'-pussies" attitude, and mebbe think a little bit about declaring your lethal intentions so that if you ever do wind up in a DPF situation, your "prior pronouncements" won't come back to haunt you.

Or, in the alternative, take a hike over to http://www.hardcoretalk.com where all the swingin' johnsons gravitate to anyhow.

Mostly, stop sneering at people here you don't know the first thing about. There's plenty here to discuss without trottin' out anyone's psychotic fantasies.
 

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:lol: great speech dean!
 

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Immature Rant

Allthough I am totally turned off by the immature rantings of Duck4Cover I feel constrained to add something to the very fine advice he has already been given.

In brief, the advice from LIProgun about going with a .38 Special revolver or a 9MM Parabellum semi-automatic is excellent for the inexperienced handgunner. In a revolver I would get a S&W Model 19, 4" which handles .38 Special and .357 Magnum. In a semi-auto I would go Glock 19 and try to find some pre-ban high capacity magazines.

A more intimidating choice is the 12 gauge shotgun. I would go for the Remington 870, using 00 buckshot. In a deadly force situation the last thing you should be concerned about is what it does to the furniture! Actually, the sound of you racking the first round into the chamber of an 870 should be enough to send any would-be intruder running for his life.

In most cases people who burglarize homes do not expect the homeowner to be home. Simply vocalizing that you are in the house and telling the intruder to get out is all that is required. The murders in your neighborhood were revenge murders involving people who knew who they were after. It was not a random burglary for profit.

Also, like it or not you cannot shoot someone for simply breaking into your house. If they retreat from you it is a felony for you to shoot them and you can be subject to both criminal prosecution and civil penalties.

Now, the real point of this message: IF YOU HAVE CHILDREN IN THE HOME IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT YOU SECURE YOUR FIREARMS IN A MANNER THAT PRECLUDES GIVING THEM UNSUPERVISED ACCESS TO THE GUNS! (Florida law and common sense.)

Now, on the subject of your immature statements:

1. Dean advised well when he said: "... stop sneering at people here you don't know the first thing about."

2. Fernando accurately stated: "You'll find quite a few "been there, done that" type people on this board."

Be safe. :)
 

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How many here have had the bad pleasure to draw a firearm on another human being. I have, and it's not an enviable experience. One that I hope never happens again. :?
 

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How many here have had the bad pleasure to draw a firearm on another human being. I have, and it's not an enviable experience. One that I hope never happens again. :?
I have only had the "pleasure" once, and I only drew to a low ready. About 10 years ago I was standing near the door of a local gun show. The promoter was stupid enough to have a simple cardboard box as her "cash drawer"and she had between $1-2000 in it. The promoter was a young woman who could not have been 5'2/150#. A 6'+/250+# grungy looking guy was at the table, he looked at her and in a threatening tone with his one hand in a raised fist asked her, "Lady, what are you going to do when I take this here money and run out the door?"

I was only about 10 feet away, and drew to a low ready and barked out "Wouldn't be a good move on your part!!" ---

He quickly put his hands up, and backed out the door saying "I was just joking, man, just joking" He left, and after having the promoter come over and hug/thank me, I went and got a friend who was a cop that was at the show and told him what happened so he could call it in on his radio. They never did catch the guy.

Funniest thing is, at the entrance to the show is a sign that said "No loaded guns allowed inside" --- Luckily my belief in "concealed means being concealed" made it so I was able to have a course of action to stop a possible strong armed robbery.
 

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i mike like you have unfortunaly had that displusere od "drawing a bead" on a human being, and it si not a plusurable experience. me and my neighbor of 15 years were having a nice fireside chat, you know the usual...poltics, guns, booze, ect, when the phone rang (it was about midnight) and the bar owner who was just accross the streat informed gary that there was a few idoits poking in the front window of his place (it a former feed shop with the living quartes in the upper floor) well, he grabed a old Colt 1911 .45, I took my trusty old .30-30, and we went to have a chat wit these gents...in the end no shots were fired but i did chamber a round and the rifle's "click-clack" did cause them to decide to leave quite fast....still it is nothing i enjoyed doing.
 
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Duck...

I have a suggestion for ya. There is a shop in your area if your looking for a firearm. Name of the store is Shoot Straight. Go in on a Fri, Sat, Sun, or Monday and ask for Gunny.

He has helped quite a few new shooters get into the right firearm for their purpose and instructed them in both the proper use of such and the proper owner mind set.

And as you can tell by his title he is a Marine (he still is on the payroll) so you'll have "something" in common.
 

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Good to see you back Schmit! Fernando says you made out alright during Charlie...

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Schmit:

You offer good advice to Duck. Unfortunately, he went out and bought a cowboy gun. Did you see his post:

Mike I bought the Vazuero 45/Ruger...What a beautiful GUN...Wow
and I Love the Kick..........now that's a weapon.....I do believe it can rip a hole through 5" of Solid Wood. and still keep traving to get some more........Ha ha........
Duck: It's not too late - you can trade it in.

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Schmit said:
I have a suggestion for ya. There is a shop in your area if your looking for a firearm. Name of the store is Shoot Straight. Go in on a Fri, Sat, Sun, or Monday and ask for Gunny.
Duck, if you're smart, you'll take that advice.
 
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Thanks Ed...

We made out great... Charlie went east of us. We watched it slam through Orlando (and surrounding areas) on TV from the side lines! :lol: 8)

Way better then having to sit through it like I had to do during Bertha and Fran when we lived in NC.
 
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