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To ALL,

I went down to vote here in SATX this morning and was sad to discover that the voting was DOWN by about 22% at our polling place, when compared to both 2008 and 2010.
(YES, i'm counting the absentee and early voting count.)

So, don't fail to cast your vote and encourage your friends and family to go too.. - If nothing else given the hate of the Democrat Party for our SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS, we simply cannot allow another ANTI-GUN RIGHTS member to be appointed to the SCOTUS.

Just my opinion, sw
 

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I voted at around 1000 am here in Utah and it took about 1 hour and 10 minutes to get through the line and vote.

I did not notice any election observers affiliated with the United Nations even though I did find the wait intimidating.
 

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I voted at 7:00AM and it took me only fifteen minutes to get through the line. Absolutely no one there to hassle voters but parking was a pain in the neck.
 

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Already made a point of it... up here in Blue State Hell on the Upper Left Coast, I have an old school buddy who's in the state legislature and the Blue Team brings the dirty tricks every time since he was first elected four years ago, so whatever else may be on the ballot I HAVE to vote just to watch his back.
 

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Well, that worked out well........
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I voted early, last Saturday. FL is still in doubt, but the results are not.
Geoff
Who believes the people have spoken. Now taxes will go up and the Democrats will be happy.
 

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to ALL,

Well,

all i can say is: After BHO won, i would be out buying stock in gun companies, if i was rich. - Anybody with gun company stock will get even richer.

frankly, i seriously wonder about the collective IQ of the voters. - Anybody who believes that the USA can continue to keep printing our evermore worthless paper money and spending money, that we cannot afford to spend and soon will NOTeven be able to borrow from China, is a clueLESS fool.

I do NOT see good things ahead for the USA.

yours, sw
 

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This is indeed a sad day for our country. I can't believe people can't see this guy for what he is. I believe he wants to make us a third world country to punish us for our past sins. I will never listen to a Bruce Springsteen song again.
 

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Financially Americans may have just voted to do a Thelma and Louise. Printing more and more money didn't work too well in Germany in the 1920s. The media has to get a lot of credit, they moved quick to paper over Benghazi. I'll never forget that first two weeks reading the U.S. Press and comparing it to the UK and elsewhere, or CNN's Candy Crowley throwing the assist to the President in that second debate after her own network had broken the dam in the U.S. Media on just what a slipshod cover-up had been going on. I had thought that the media would have hated to be made to look such fools in front of the world, instead the bulk of the media doubled down on the smoke sceen by simply pretending it never happened. It is going to be very hard for anyone to overcome bias and outright institutionalized lying of that magnitude in the mass media.
 

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On another note, I fear for the climate of free speech in the US. After Chick-Fil-A and after the jailing of this filmmaker, it seems those who aren't in the "Booster Club" will get more and more government repression, and the Media and Entertainment industry will cheer it on, a generation of Actors and Reporters who grew up reading "The Crucible" seem to have no problem as long as they are the ones running that kind of show.
 

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I fear we have just witnessed a once-great republic commit national suicide.

We are now heading for the cliff, a brick on the gas pedal, and no apparent options at hand.

On another board, a poster said that we will soon be Greece. Another answered, "Greece is the best case scenario. It's likely to be more like the world of Mad Max." I'm afraid he might be right. Look at what's happening in NY/NJ. Preview of coming attractions? :confused: :(

Oh, well. America: It was fun while it lasted. :(
 

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To the citizens of the United States of America from Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II.

In light of your failure in recent years to nominate competent candidates for President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective immediately. (You should look up 'revocation' in the Oxford English Dictionary.)

Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths, and territories (except North Dakota, which she does not fancy).

Your new Prime Minister, David Cameron, will appoint a Governor for America without the need for further elections.

Congress and the Senate will be disbanded. A questionnaire may be circulated next year to determine whether any of you noticed.

To aid in the transition to a British Crown dependency, the following rules are introduced with immediate effect:

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1. The letter 'U' will be reinstated in words such as 'colour,' 'favour,' 'labour' and 'neighbour.' Likewise, you will learn to spell 'doughnut' without skipping half the letters, and the suffix '-ize' will be replaced by the suffix '-ise.' Generally, you will be expected to raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels. (look up 'vocabulary').

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2. Using the same twenty-seven words interspersed with filler noises such as ''like' and 'you know' is an unacceptable and inefficient form of communication. There is no such thing as U.S. English. We will let Microsoft know on your behalf. The Microsoft spell-checker will be adjusted to take into account the reinstated letter 'u'' and the elimination of '-ize.'

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3. July 4th will no longer be celebrated as a holiday.

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4. You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns, lawyers, or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and therapists shows that you're not quite ready to be independent. Guns should only be used for shooting grouse. If you can't sort things out without suing someone or speaking to a therapist, then you're not ready to shoot grouse.

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5. Therefore, you will no longer be allowed to own or carry anything more dangerous than a vegetable peeler. Although a permit will be required if you wish to carry a vegetable peeler in public.

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6. All intersections will be replaced with roundabouts, and you will start driving on the left side with immediate effect. At the same time, you will go metric with immediate effect and without the benefit of conversion tables. Both roundabouts and metrication will help you understand the British sense of humour.

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7. The former USA will adopt UK prices on petrol (which you have been calling gasoline) of roughly $10/US gallon. Get used to it.

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8. You will learn to make real chips. Those things you call French fries are not real chips, and those things you insist on calling potato chips are properly called crisps. Real chips are thick cut, fried in animal fat, and dressed not with catsup but with vinegar.

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9. The cold, tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not actually beer at all. Henceforth, only proper British Bitter will be referred to as beer, and European brews of known and accepted provenance will be referred to as Lager. South African beer is also acceptable, as they are pound for pound the greatest sporting nation on earth and it can only be due to the beer. They are also part of the British Commonwealth - see what it did for them. American brands will be referred to as Near-Frozen Gnat's Urine, so that all can be sold without risk of further confusion.

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10. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as good guys. Hollywood will also be required to cast English actors to play English characters. Watching Andie Macdowell attempt English dialect in Four Weddings and a Funeral was an experience akin to having one's ears removed with a cheese grater.

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11. You will cease playing American football. There is only one kind of proper football; you call it soccer. Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play rugby (which has some similarities to American football, but does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing full kevlar body armour like a bunch of nancies).

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12. Further, you will stop playing baseball. It is not reasonable to host an event called the World Series for a game which is not played outside of America. Since only 2.1% of you are aware there is a world beyond your borders, your error is understandable. You will learn cricket, and we will let you face the South Africans first to take the sting out of their deliveries.

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13.. You must tell us who killed JFK. It's been driving us mad.

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14. An internal revenue agent (i.e. tax collector) from Her Majesty's Government will be with you shortly to ensure the acquisition of all monies due (backdated to 1776).

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15. Daily Tea Time begins promptly at 4 p.m. with proper cups, with saucers, and never mugs, with high quality biscuits (cookies) and cakes; plus strawberries (with cream) when in season.

God Save the Queen!
 

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I can’t say I’m surprised. Republicans put a VERY wishy-washy moderate to run on a platform of repealing a law that was based on the one he created and implemented. Romney was a slightly better candidate than McCain…at least Romney isn’t a nut like McCain remains.

I really wish Romney would have won, so you guys could see that he would have continued the spending. When will you ever learn, BOTH parties are fiscally irresponsible. If I’m wrong, please point me to the fiscally responsible president that we’ve had in my lifetime.
 

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Kevin, the democrat machine was much better than the repubs -- or anyone else -- anticipated. The "theory" was that turn out wouldn't be what it was in 2008 and that the repubs were more "energized." Well, in fact turnout was actually lower yesterday than in the 2008 or 2004 election, BUT the demos, while losing a portion of their '08 base, were good at scaring up more sheeple --- er, voters. But I repeat myself.
Republican turnout at political events seemed good and well energized but it simply did not translate into votes.
Limbaugh did a hole show today on how we're now "outnumbered" by the moocher and entitlement class and those who want big brother govt. We now have to do a better job of getting the conservative message out.
So far as your "wish Romney would have won, so you guys could see that he would have continued the spending. When will you ever learn, BOTH parties are fiscally irresponsible," the repubs were, basically, only "good" during Clinton's term when they had a "contract with America." Bush was actually not bad until the demorats took over in 2006. His problem was being "a uniter, not a divider." You mix water & mud and all you get is a concoction you still won't want to drink. Bush should have been "Bush the Conquerer" or "Conan the Barbarian" or whatever it took to override & defeat his political enemies.
"Never do your enemy a minor injury." ~~Niccolo Machiavelli.
Would Romney have continued the same spending? I sincerely doubt it as he had a far better grasp of good business and how to shrink spending. Why pick Ryan otherwise?
How would that have translated into real action? Dunno.
With the repubs only controlling the house and Harry Reid still acting as a gigantic [email protected]@gon of a spoiler in the senate it's completly possible little would happen.

Romney is given far too much credit for "Obamacare." Romney's law covered only a small % of the Mass population and had no new taxes. Obamacare applies to everyone and has 21 new taxes and remains the largest tax increase on the middle class in history.
Speaking on the phone with my mother today I learned she'd been to her general practitioner (who is also my doctor) and spoke to his nurse, briefly, about Obama and this. The nurse, Christie, said they're all scared to death about Obamacare and don't think people will like what it actually turns out to be at all.
There will be rationing and there will be "death panels" although they will not be called that, despite what the top demorats claim. It cannot work out otherwise. There simply will not be enough doctors to make the system work as the idiot Washington insiders believe it will, and that's just mathematics.
But Obamacare is going to be The Law of the Land now, for sure. Romney would only have been able to repeal it had the repubs also won the full kongress and not only did that NOT happen, the repubs lost seats in both yet retain some control in the house.
So we're screwed.
I'm screwed.
My mother, my sister, they're screwed.
My brother-in-law is screwed.
And you're screwed.
So enjoy it. It's coming to your town soon.:twisted:
 

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Been meaning to way in on this for the last 36 hours, and just haven't had the chance.

I shut off the TV and went to bed at 10:00 pm Tuesday night knowing in my heart that Obama won. Woke up at 04:00, turned on the TV and found out I was correct.

I had hoped that the Repub pundits were right, that the polls were skewed. Nope.

Now what? I don't know. I hope Boehner's "reach out" for reconciliation is effective, but if the past is any indication, the Dems are NOT going to negotiate ANYTHING. If this government can't reach some kind of middle ground, understand that sometimes compromise is the ONLY thing that can be done to address some problems, we're done.

That goes for the conservatives, too. I don't mean to offend anyone here, but whether or not gays get married or an adult woman decides she wants an abortion really doesn't matter that much to me. I want my two grandsons to have at least as much of a chance to have a happy and reasonably prosperous life as I have had, and hopefully more so. To see America degenerate into a third world nation, to see our backbone as free men and women broken is not the world I wish to see on my death bed.

Kevin is right. Politicians of both parties have NEVER acted in a fiscally responsible manner. And we as voters have never demanded it of them. I hope my kids and grandkids can forgive me.
 

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Free stuff.

Obama had it.

Romney didn't.

'Nuff said.

A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years.

--Tytler
 

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...Politicians of both parties have NEVER acted in a fiscally responsible manner. And we as voters have never demanded it of them. I hope my kids and grandkids can forgive me.
This is what I keep coming back to, and why I will no longer be voting for president, or will vote 3rd party if there is someone who I feel is qualified. This year, I didn't vote for president because there was no one who I felt would address the things that are most important to me. For those of you who are rabid Republicans and want to demonize people like me, I don't really care; but if it makes you feel any better, Arkansas will go Republican just as sure as California will go Democrat, so you're not losing anything.

I will always vote. There are statewide initiatives, local politicians (a family member and a VERY good man was just elected Sherriff), and state politicians can still represent the people. But the closer you get to the national level, the more and more it's either about the party, or it's about special interest. And by special interest, I don't limit that to the special interest groups, I include corporate America and most specifically Wall Street who has both parties well hamstrung.

I'm staying away from things at a national level because regardless of how I vote, the dismantling of America continues. Many of you see a Republican president as some sort of "solution"; I just see a new set of problems. To me, Obama or Romney really doesn't matter one iota. The REAL issues aren't being addressed, and forgive me if I'm not interested in squabbling over petty little table scraps. So I no longer play their game, because I have to look my children in the eye at some point and make an accounting of my actions as a citizen who was on watch for this nation. I want to be able to say, I figured it out and I stopped being an enabler.
 

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Kevin Gibson said:
Many of you see a Republican president as some sort of "solution"; I just see a new set of problems.
:confused:

I saw Romney as the Dutchboy sticking a finger in the dike. It isn't a solution but it slows down the flooding.
The reason I saw him that way is he would still have had to deal with the Troll Harry Reid & his democrat faeries in the senate.
Back in the 80s Reagan was able to deal with the democrat congress and get much of his agenda passed. But, we have no Reagan today -- and that is not a good thing.
Demographics are also changing, and in a way that is going to hurt the republican party. WASP are down from @85% of the voting population to @60% and that helped Obama this go-round and is only going to get worse.
So what do the repubs do?

IrishCop said:
I don't mean to offend anyone here, but whether or not gays get married or an adult woman decides she wants an abortion really doesn't matter that much to me. I want my two grandsons to have at least as much of a chance to have a happy and reasonably prosperous life as I have had, and hopefully more so. To see America degenerate into a third world nation, to see our backbone as free men and women broken is not the world I wish to see on my death bed.
So, shall the repubs "back-burner" issues like abortion & gay marriage? Some radio pundits are apparantly happy to see this. WVNN's Dale Jackson is one who thinks it's stupid to talk about abortion. A ex-WVNN host, Neal Boortz is even more harsh, yapping about "turbo-christians" and "aborto-centrists."
It's a very tendentious issue that believers do not easily alter their opinions on and probably won't "go away."
But they and those who for similar reasons resist gay marriage become increasingly marginalized, the republicans will be forced away from the "right" end of politics more and more closer to the left, or they will go the way of the Whig Party and disappear.
Leaving those of us in the right wing of the political system without representation.
More seriously our nation will become a socialistic "europeanized" nation with truly overbearing taxes, very little wealth, and a govt. that intrudes on our daily lives, monitors and/or controls just about everything we do. Forget low-flush toilets that'll be the LEAST of our troubles.
Or, as IrishCop says, we'll degenerate into a third world country. FRankly I have to say I think this is the most likely end result. Americans don't know how to do euroweenie socialism. We go "whole-hog" or nothing, we're that kind of people.
I do not see a bright future ahead. The moocher menagarie has won.

As I see the republican party heading toward a grave next to the Whig Party, in the last few days I have considered changing my political affiliation.
Any advice? Be warned if anyone says demorat I will make it my life's business to hunt them down like a rat:twisted:. I mean independant, or libertarian. Maybe Constitution Party, although I don't know if Alabama has one.
 

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Tommy, at least your "I made it to 2010..." thumbnail made be smile. Thanks for that. ;)
 

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Free stuff.

Obama had it.

Romney didn't.

'Nuff said.

A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years.

--Tytler
Go ahead Walt...rub it in, will you? :rolleyes:;)
 
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