[jeffw]

I was just watching the History Channel & there was a program on about it.I have seen mention of it before.I don't consider myself a religous man so the inherent belief that the Bible is the end all isn't there.It seems to me to be one of those things where,if you know the answers,you can look up the questions type of thing.

I DO NOT want to talk religon.BUT I'm am curious re.thoughts on the bible code.


Thoughts?Generalizations?

 

[Richard Jefferies]

I saw that program too, and I was skeptical at first, but now I'm not so sure. I do believe that the statistical probabilities for the various words appearing in such close juxtaposition in a given matrix is so large as to make it hard to doubt. Like most of those on the show who believe it is real, I DON'T think it can be used as a predictive tool.

I am a religious person, and to me, the code just reinforces what I already believe; there is a God, and He's omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent. He is in control of it ALL.

I found it interesting that THC ran a Nostradamus show right after those two. I've tried reading Nostradamus, and gave it up after a short time because it's so vague, you can interpret just about anything you want to from what he writes. The BC, on the other hand, does seem to offer much more specific information. Again, the statistical probabilities that such detailed, related information could appear in such close phsyical proximity by random chance is just something I can't buy.

 

[Richard Jefferies]

For some reason, I can't get the edit function to work, so I'll post this instead.

Statistical probabilities: I personally find it hard to accept that random chance would place the words "twin towers", "muslim", "airplane", "terror attack", "thousands of lives lost", "twice" in such close physical proximity to each other. Even if one had to do several iterations (skip=10, skip=7, skip=-11, etc.) to get all those words to appear, it still seems more than coincidence or happenstance can explain.

I want to look into this more. It intrigues me that the code would be impossible (or at least incredibly difficult) to find without the use of computers. I'm not sure what to make of that.

 

[jeffw]

Nostradamus.I first heard of him as a teenager in a similar program to what was on last night.It made me a believer in his prophecies on the spot.Then I actually started to read his quatrains.I didn't get far before I too realized that what was written could be interpreted as whatever you wanted it to be.Very vague.

I thought that it was odd that the History Channel showed them back to back like that.Something that is at least possible(the Bible code) followed by random ramblings(Nostradamus).

 

[Cigar Man]

I want to look into this more. It intrigues me that the code would be impossible (or at least incredibly difficult) to find without the use of computers. I'm not sure what to make of that.

I watched both of these as well.... and the above is really curious. Remeber the movie Chariots of the Gods back in the late 70's?

Aliens would have had computers...... (just a random thought.... not that I'm trying to start any serious debate here about aliens creating the Bible.... but it does give one pause to consider....... :dunno: )

 

[Mad Ogre]

Bible Code?

 

[Fernando Coelho]

Yeah, I missed this one too. What code?

 

[jeffw]

http://www.biblecodedigest.com/lookee here.

There were some programs about it on the History Channel last night.

 

[SpecialEd]

I thought that it was odd that the History Channel showed them back to back like that.Something that is at least possible(the Bible code) followed by random ramblings(Nostradamus).

What makes you think they are so different?

Ed

 

[Alarmed]

Did they obtain this "code" from the original Greek, Latin, & Hebew text, or from the newer translations?

Just a thought, you can make a computer find anything if you program it to. How about showing me a prediction & the time it will occur instead of a past event.

 

[Cigar Man]

They used the original Latin, & Hebew text if I recall. It was not a newer translation of the Bible. There was also some guy using the code to try to obtain GPS numbers to locate the Arc of the Covenant, supposedly the chest in which Moses placed the Ten Commandments. Interesting stuff regardless if you give it merit or not....

 

[jeffw]

SpecialED?I'm not so sure that the Bible Code isn't bunk.On the surface it looks to me like it's wish fullfillment on the part of a group who want to believe.I am open,however,to the possibility that I'm wrong.
About Nostradamus?Well,it has been 20years since I last tried reading his prophecies.They were difficult to follow & seemed,to me,to be even more of a wish fullfillment type of thing.
Alot of people believe all of the Bible.Alot of people believe some of the Bible.Alot of people believe in either none of the Bible,or they believe in something else altogether.
One other thing that bothers me is that both ignore,for the most part,the non-Judeo(sp?)Christian world.IIRC the Japanese involvement in WWII is mentioned as is the Vietnam Conflict but that's it.
Is that because the Far East was relatively unknown when both were written & only VERY important(ie.Western) things stand out in History?I understand that for alot of the last 100yrs it can be argued that the U.S. has been @ the center or maybe forefront of modern history.It just seems elitist to me to think that a "code"was written a couple of thousand years ago that,by default,proves that non-JudeoChristian peoples have only a minor role to play in World events.
I'm reminded of the old saying that 3 billion Red Chinese don't give a ****.It seems to me that they would care ALOT.& be in a position to make their opinions known.So,why are they basically ignored?[on a only mildly related note I'm thinking of George Hill's post on THR re.newer Chinese tanks & their abilities compared to our own Abrams tanks-they ARE moving into a postion to make themselves the A#1 BIG DOG on a global scale]

I'm also bothered that while Nostradamus' prophecies require you to only fit current events to his vague wordings,the Bible Code requires you to treat the Bible as a big crossword puzzle.So,is the Bible the Word Of God as translated by Man?Or is it just a crossword puzzle that maps out the past,present,& (possible)future?

If it's the first,then well,nothing changes.There are just a few people looking for something that,only by coincidence,can be found.& then only if they already have the answers to the questions that they're looking for.

If it's the second-just a puzzle/map-welllll,that's a whole different kettle of fish.That would mean to me that whatever I(or you) do has already been mapped out.That your life is pre-ordained.That there is no point in striving to be more.& that same attitude is EXACTLY what you were pre-ordained to be/do.I rather don't like that idea myself.If I want to be a bum then so be it.Conversely,if I want to be Thurston bloody Howell,I'll do that!
sorry,starting to ramble.

Anyways-if I'm wrong,please,edumacate me.

 

[jeffw]

Alarmed?Exactly.They can find the answer if they already know it.When confronted w/something that they cannot explain they fall back on "Gods will"ie.We aren't meant to know.Vey convienient.

& Cigar Man?I agree that it IS interesting.I freely admit to being both VERY skeptical & yet glued to my seat for the programs' duration. :dunno:

 

[SpecialEd]

My point was -- and please lets not make a religious argument out of this -- is that to some people the bible is random ramblings just as you described Nostradamos. Personally, I don't subscribe to either.

Ed

 

[jeffw]

My point was -- and please lets not make a religious argument out of this -- is that to some people the bible is random ramblings just as you described Nostradamos. Personally, I don't subscribe to either.

Ed

Exactly! :beer:

 

[SpecialEd]

OMG! I guess we will have to agree to agree :wink:

IT's funny about the History channel. I keep it on as background a lot. Even when it's a show that I think I won't be very interested in, I find myself sitting there staring at the tube neglecting all the liittle things like pots boiling on the stove and such...

Ed

 

[Fernando Coelho]

jeffw - thanks for the link. Now I'm sorta up to speed.

 

[Mad Ogre]

You know, you can do the same thing with Lord Of The Rings.

 

[jeffw]

You know, you can do the same thing with Lord Of The Rings.

Tolkiens books too?I hadn't heard that before. :?

 

[Soda Pop]

Past human history is as obvious as future human history. The same good guys will show up as the obvious villans. The characters names change but its always the same story.