[csmkersh]

4, 2016 7:30 pm

The Obama administration announced during a conference call with reporters Monday evening that the president's upcoming executive order may require somebody selling even a single firearm to obtain a Federal Firearms License.

During the call White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest, White House Senior Adviser Valerie Jarrett, and Attorney General Loretta Lynch explained the details of the order, which will be announced publicly by President Obama Tuesday at 11:40 a.m. The action, officials explained, would include guidance on how the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives will now determine who is "engaged in the business" of selling firearms under federal law and, therefore, who is required to obtain a license to sell firearms.

Obama Executive Order on Guns

 

[DavidE]

Fun Idea - Let's have 200 million people apply for FFLs at the same time. The BATFE will love that. Paperwork should jam them up until 2159.

 

[stand watie]

To ALL,

There is ONE bright spot to BHO's brainless foolishness. = He just gave the WH, MANY more seats in Congress & numerous "down ballot races" to the GOP. = That's a GOOD THING for the USA.

For starters CO, FL, ME, MI, NC, PA, VA, WV & WI are now highly likely to be GOP States, as well as NOT even one RED State will vote for the DEMs candidate.
(Looking at the US Map, with EC votes, I see NO chance whatever for the DEMs to keep the WH or to even maintain their large minority in the US Congress.)

just my opinion, sw

 

[William R. Moore]

Since the courts have established the meaning of "in the business of selling firearms", I expect the emperors executive orders to be tied up in court for quite awhile.

I also have to wonder how long it's going to take before some irate progressive starts wailing about the invasion of privacy involved in snooping in mental health medical records. I also have to pause to wonder about how long it'll take before the list of disqualifying conditions starts to multiply. I note some posts here that display an unhealthy, obsessive interest in instruments of destruction. Note: that last sentence is sarcasm, but the list of official pathological conditions keeps growing.

 

[dfariswheel]

See, here's the trick......
Declare someone selling a couple of guns to be a Dealer and require him to have a FFL License.

Then, since the requirements to get the license are impossible for an ordinary person to meet, you refuse to grant the license and stop him from selling ANY guns.

Another handy way to drive as many people out of business as possible and further limit the numbers of FFL Dealers available.

 

[CaptainGyro]

It may not be long before the other side realizes that the inability to transfer a used gun will mean that everyone will be forced to buy new...which means higher gun production, more total guns in circulation, and a tremendous boon to the manufacturers the Left loves to hate.

We should probably be representing this policy as a dream-come-true for the gun industry. That may give the anti-2A crowd pause.

 

[billt]

This is completely unenforceable nonsense. There is no, "gun show loophole" to close, and never has been. Much like the whole, "Saturday Night Special" fiasco, it's nothing more than a figment in the minds of liberal socialists who hate guns, and know nothing about them. If they start requiring background checks for people to sell even a single gun privately, FFL holders will step up and provide that, just as they do now for new gun transfers, and or Internet purchases. If they're not "allowed" to provide that service, people will simply side step it. If traced back, (which is doubtful to impossible), the individual can simply claim they sold it long before Obama started wiping away his tears at the Presidential podium.

A legally purchased firearm is a commodity, not much different than anything else. This regardless of how much Obama tries to criminalize any normal citizen, and tries to make it one. This will be challenged in the courts just as soon as someone is arrested and "charged"..... If anyone ever is. And before that happens, if we have a Republican President by then, he will simply rescind all of it. Just like Trump has promised to do.

If not, there will be little to no compliance to any of this. Just as there has been to Cuomo's New York "Safe Act", which is presently experiencing about a 90% complete lack of compliance. No one has ever been arrested, and or charged in that stupid clusterf*#k. These communist legislators want to legislate honest citizens into criminals for possessing what they already own, while ignoring other laws that endanger us every day. Unless we get a hard core, freedom loving Constitutionalist in the White House next year, this could and will get very bloody. People in this country have completely had it with all of these certifiable A-Holes.

 

[WaltGraham]

Well played indeed.

Here.

 

[stand watie]

To ALL,

I think that EVERY member of this forum should go apply for an FFL as I suspect that that alone should tie-up the BATFE for a decade OR at least until ZERO is a private citizen once more.

I wonder how many members the forum has??

yours, sw

 

[CaptainGyro]

I've been toying with the idea myself. Obama seems to have eliminated the storefront requirement, which should open up the possibility of more "kitchen table" operations. At least that's the rhetoric; in actual practice I don't imagine the red tape and hoop-jumping requirements are going to ease any time soon.

Walt, I'm anxiously awaiting the BATFE's ruling on that pesky Mexican cartel question. It's those gray areas that always prove most difficult.

 

[billt]

Like so much of what comes out of Obama's mouth, it's all talk and zero substance. A dog and pony show, with a few tears thrown in for good measure. Nothing has changed as far as the ATF is concerned. That means Nothing has changed PERIOD.

 

[William R. Moore]

It'll be interesting. Back in the Clinton years, they directed the BATFE to make sure all licensees were in total compliance with all local regs or no renewal. This was how I lost my FFL (gunsmithing only). I was in technical violation of the zoning regs. However, the county issued me a business license, knew I was in business and didn't care-no one was complaining about anything.

I was most agreeably surprised by the efforts of the Richmond office of the BATFE to help me stay in business. They went above and beyond any expectations and were most professional. A major change from earlier experiences with the agency.

I suspect they'll resolve the conflicts by "making" you sell your guns by an existing licensee. Some of the local thieves want $50-$75 to do transfers.

 

[Charlie Petty]

There was an ATF agent on the local news and he said casual sales are not involved. They want to make sure that people who do it routinely are licensed. If you read ATF definitions it says something about multiple sales with profit objective.

To me that is no change just political feel good BS

 

[billt]

To me that is no change just political feel good BS

That's all his entire Presidency has been.