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The biggest TRUTH that I learned is that EVERYBODY LIES to the police, in that:

The criminals LIE to deny their involvement, excuse their behavior, claim that they were elsewhere and/or to try to escape punishment by blaming others for their conduct.

The witnesses LIE to keep from "being involved", to punish someone else, to blame someone else for their own involvement in the crime and/or to "feel important".

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The victims LIE to either minimize their involvement, to get other people's sympathy by maximizing their injury and/or to excuse the criminal.

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Charlie, so true...and infuriating. Especially on a hill before the crest when all your trying to do is get AROUND them!

And speaking of cynics, SW I remember the first time I told my wife pretty much what you listed...that everybody lies...victims, witnesses and suspects. She said, "That's awfully cynical, isn't it?" I said no honey. It's just the truth.
 

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IrishCop,

The TRUTH also is that only LEO understand the reality of people, as we see them at both their best & worst.

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IrishCop,

The TRUTH also is that only LEO understand the reality of people, as we see them at both their best & worst.*

yours, sw
* And maybe men "of the cloth" as well, for surely they also see humanity at both its best and worst.:angel:
 

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They almost always lie and even the best of us can be fooled.

Many.. MANY years ago my first solo arrest was a drunk who stumbled out into the street in front of MY police car.

On the way to jail he apologized profusely and said he was at a friends and just made a mistake.

It was only about a five minute ride to the jail and by the time we got there I was on his side but I had already told the dispatcher I was at the jail.

When we got inside the first deputy I saw called MY prisoner by his first name…

I call that a great object lesson...:argh:
 

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Charlie Petty,

Of all the outright LIES that I heard in 3 decades of "being pinned to the badge" that made me the most ANGRY, was a 63YO woman in a felony-murder case in Baltimore County, MD who gave at least three sworn statements, testified at the grand jury and at the trial that she was looking out her bedroom window and "saw the whole thing", a street robbery-murder. = She was a GRAND witness & was believed by everyone involved in the case.

After both sides "rested" & after the jury "retired to deliberate", it was discovered that the "eyewitness" was in Waycross, GA for more than a week before/after the date of the crime. = She had KNOWINGLY LIED and COMMITTED intentional PERJURY, so the judge had to declare a mistrial and "threw out" all the evidence that was contaminated by her lies, as "the poison fruit of a poison tree". = The killer was NEVER retried and he was "guilty as HELL".
(Due to her poor health, the "eyewitness" was never tried for her perjury. = The "witness" told a Baltimore City policewoman that, "I just wanted to be on TV.")

LIES HAVE CONSEQUENCES.

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Charlie Petty,

Of all the outright LIES that I heard in 3 decades of "being pinned to the badge" that made me the most ANGRY, was a 63YO woman in a felony-murder case in Baltimore County, MD who gave at least three sworn statements, testified at the grand jury and at the trial that she was looking out her bedroom window and "saw the whole thing", a street robbery-murder. = She was a GRAND witness & was believed by everyone involved in the case.

After both sides "rested" & after the jury "retired to deliberate", it was discovered that the "eyewitness" was in Waycross, GA for more than a week before/after the date of the crime. = She had KNOWINGLY LIED and COMMITTED intentional PERJURY, so the judge had to declare a mistrial and "threw out" all the evidence that was contaminated by her lies, as "the poison fruit of a poison tree". = The killer was NEVER retried and he was "guilty as HELL".
(Due to her poor health, the "eyewitness" was never tried for her perjury. = The "witness" told a Baltimore City policewoman that, "I just wanted to be on TV.")

LIES HAVE CONSEQUENCES.

yours, sw
Ah HA! No wonder Dr. Richard Kimble was convicted .....:mrgreen::rolleyes:

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TommyGunn,

Google: INNOCENCE PROJECT. - LOTS of people have gone to prison due to LIES.

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When we got inside the first deputy I saw called MY prisoner by his first name…
The theme song for this story is, of course, "I've Got News for You," as recorded by Ray Charles, Edgar Winter, and prolly countless others....:mrgreen:
 

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Now that I'm a Nevada resident, I'm liking cops less and less every day. I haven't been pulled over in 20 years. Been pulled over once a month in NV so far. One was because ONE of my license plate lights was out...REALLY? These guys are predatory, pure and simple. Why the citizenry puts up with this I'll never know.

In Arkansas you weren't EVER bothered by a cop unless you've actually done something...and not some minor moving violation.
 

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Now that I'm a Nevada resident, I'm liking cops less and less every day. I haven't been pulled over in 20 years. Been pulled over once a month in NV so far. One was because ONE of my license plate lights was out...REALLY? These guys are predatory, pure and simple. Why the citizenry puts up with this I'll never know.

In Arkansas you weren't EVER bothered by a cop unless you've actually done something...and not some minor moving violation.
I've never lived (or worked) in Nevada, so I really can't speak to that. I do admit to using the "no tag light" as probable cause for a stop when my gut told me there might be something else going on.

'Course, BOTH lights had to be inop. Hope they didn't write you for that, Kevin. Equipment violations are usually vacated if you show up in so many days with the violation repaired (at least in the jurisdictions I've lived in) but it's still a royal pain.

Don't know why they are singling you out...

Ya think it could be those quad .50's mounted on your roof? ;)
 

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That would probably get it.

Why the move Kevin. Also lemme know if your Astra 300 is Nazi marked… big hole in my collection

Terry my best equipment story was a rather famous local pimp who had a true pimpmobile that was all decked out. He was seen one night with a big plastic swan for a hood ornament… guess what color the light was.

In NC it is illegal for anything other than a real po-lice car to display a blue light… I just couldn't help myself
 

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I've never lived (or worked) in Nevada, so I really can't speak to that. I do admit to using the "no tag light" as probable cause for a stop when my gut told me there might be something else going on.

'Course, BOTH lights had to be inop. Hope they didn't write you for that, Kevin. Equipment violations are usually vacated if you show up in so many days with the violation repaired (at least in the jurisdictions I've lived in) but it's still a royal pain.

Don't know why they are singling you out...

Ya think it could be those quad .50's mounted on your roof? ;)
Nothing unique, they're really that freaking up tight around the capital. I'm telling you, they're predatory. They look for any reason to pull you over, then they'll write you up for anything additional. I'm astounded the people put up with this.
 

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That would probably get it.

Why the move Kevin. Also lemme know if your Astra 300 is Nazi marked… big hole in my collection

Terry my best equipment story was a rather famous local pimp who had a true pimpmobile that was all decked out. He was seen one night with a big plastic swan for a hood ornament… guess what color the light was.

In NC it is illegal for anything other than a real po-lice car to display a blue light… I just couldn't help myself
Mine is the 3000, not the 300.
 
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