[Skeptic49]

Not enough data yet for comment, but some National Guardsmen are wounded or worse, along with others. A lone gunman has suicided in a familiar pattern.

I want to know why Officers and Senior NCOs are not armed at all times, in uniform.

Geoff
Who thinks we have taken MORE than enough casualties!

 

[phantom4570]

Sheriff: Gunman used AK-47 in Nevada IHOP shooting

Authorities say gunman Eduardo Sencion used an AK-47 assault rifle in an IHOP attack that killed three people, including two members of the National Guard.

Carson City Sheriff Kenny Furlong says they're analyzing the weapon to determine whether it is automatic or semi-automatic.

Furlong also says after the gunman exited the IHOP, he got into a vehicle and drove around in circles, shooting at nearby businesses.

 

[TommyGunn]

Carson City Sheriff Kenny Furlong says they're analyzing the weapon to determine whether it is automatic or semi-automatic.

I wonder how long that will take .......

 

[Snake45]

I wonder how long that will take .......

I could do it in about ten seconds.....

 

[Skeptic49]

I could do it in about ten seconds.....

I could auto function check an M-16A1 in about 2, but if it's a semi auto that has been slamfire modified, that makes stuff complicated.

I would much rather know if this was a "Gun Walker" weapon!

Geoff
Who is old gray and cynical. mg:

 

[IrishCop]

I could auto function check an M-16A1 in about 2, but if it's a semi auto that has been slamfire modified, that makes stuff complicated.

I would much rather know if this was a "Gun Walker" weapon!

Geoff
Who is old gray and cynical. mg:

Geoff, you beat me to the punch on "Gun Walker". :thumbsup:

 

[stand watie]

skeptic49 et. al.,

the reason that officers & senior NCOs are NOT routinely armed is because of FEAR of media criticism, from the DUMB-bunnies of the civilian side of the government.

let me give you just one example: when i was Chief of Internal Security for a state's adjutant general's office, i drafted a memo for the AG to arm every General Officer in the state AND every commander in the grade of 0-6, AFTER any creditable THREAT was actually RECEIVED involving ANY senior officer in the state.

the AG signed the order BUT a "senior aide to the governor" said: NO, as there could "possibly be an accidental discharge, which would cause bad public relations for the state government!" = and a general or senior COL being ATTACKED/SHOT/KILLED wouldn't cause bad PR???

note: the more i learn about "civilian experts", "advisors", politicians the better i like snakes, spiders & worms.

yours, sw

 

[phantom4570]

Geoff, you beat me to the punch on "Gun Walker".

I wondered the same thing yesterday. There are some 1,400 guns unaccounted for and a few of them have shown up at crime scenes in Arizona. It isn't a reach for some of these to make their way into adjacent states.

 

[threefeathers]

This is going to be interesting. I am never without my CCW.
An aside, nearly all of my military students carry hidden all of the time, this is the reason.

 

[phantom4570]

IHOP shooter was diagnosed schizophrenic

Within hours after a man stormed an IHOP restaurant with an AK-47 assault rifle and shot 11 people, detectives learned from family members that the gunman had been diagnosed as a schizophrenic, new court records show.
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Authorities also have not yet released information on the rifle used in the shootings, or another rifle and pistol found in Sencion's vehicle. Furlong said he was awaiting a report from the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

This story fell off the front page quickly. Anyone know how long it takes the ATF to trace a firearm? How culpable are family members who knew about the mental illness yet did nothing about his cache of firearms and ammunition?

 

[IrishCop]

IHOP shooter was diagnosed schizophrenic This story fell off the front page quickly. Anyone know how long it takes the ATF to trace a firearm? How culpable are family members who knew about the mental illness yet did nothing about his cache of firearms and ammunition?

It depends. BATFE provides an internet portal which allows local LE agencies to submit a firearm for trace via the web. They can determine pretty quickly from manufacturer to distributer. From there to dealer takes a little longer, and from dealer to first end user, even longer. (Imagine your local gun store being asked to provide info for a sale which occurred 5 years ago. Around here, a lot of gun stores aren't computerized. A hand search can take a while. If he bought it from an individual or bought it used from a dealer after it had changed hands a few times, well...)

 

[Snake45]

(Imagine your local gun store being asked to provide info for a sale which occurred 5 years ago. Around here, a lot of gun stores aren't computerized. A hand search can take a while.)

If you have the individual's name AND the type of gun you're looking for, it shouldn't take long at all. If the 4473s are filed alphabetically by name, that shouldn't take more than a few minutes. A scan of bound books (even going back a couple years) for name OR gun type should turn up the gun and the exact transaction you're looking for in no more than 20-30 minutes, prolly quicker than that, and if your 4473s are filed by date, then the bound book will (or should) give you the transfer date. I've done this kind of thing before.

 

[Skeptic49]

I did a couple searches today, NOTHING on the CARSON CITY, Nev. IHOP shooting since 7 Sep 11, no follow-ups at all.

Geoff
Who wants to know why!

 

[phantom4570]

I did a couple searches today, NOTHING on the CARSON CITY, Nev. IHOP shooting since 7 Sep 11, no follow-ups at all.

Your search-fu has failed you. The link in my most recent post was from September fourteenth. This McNews article is from September sixteenth.

 

[Skeptic49]

Obviously my Google-Do is in need of refinement and practice.
I searched on the name and location and IHOP in separate searches.

Sigh, I'd still like to know where an unemployable mental case got the money for those weapons and accessories, but I wanted to know that about several cases lately.

Geoff
Who is a skeptical fellow.

 

[phantom4570]

Geoff: Use Google News rather than a Google web search. I searched for the suspect's name which refines the result set.

Just found this LATimes article: Carson City IHOP shooter was schizophrenic

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Authorities in the sleepy northern Nevada city have been combing Sencion's background to figure out why he stormed into the IHOP the morning of Sept. 6 with an assault rifle similar to an AK-47. (Similar to an AK-47? Does this mean it's not an AK-47?)
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Then they went to Sencion's parents' home, where he had been living in recent months, and found more firearms and "boxes upon boxes" of ammunition suitable for an assault rifle, the paper said.
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In 2000, Sencion was taken into protective custody by local police as part of a mental health commitment, the AP reported. He'd also been hospitalized for psychological troubles as an adult. (Sounds like a 5150 to me.)