Gun Hub Forums banner
21 - 35 of 35 Posts

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
13,180 Posts
TO ANSWER THE ORIGINAL QUERY: For house defense, I want my old remington Model 870 RIOT-GUN with #4 buckshot.

yours, sw
You haven't answered the original query at all. :(

The fellow normally uses a 20 ga for HD but is separated from it for some reason, and apparently only has access to the Ithaca 10 he asked about. Does anyone know the answer to his question? :confused:
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
10,807 Posts
Snake, doughboy did answer the question in a round about way. He wants no part of a Mac 10, stock or modified, but rather his Remy 870. I'll stick the 20 gauge I posted about or my Mossy 500 12 gauge which holds 7 2&3/4 inch shells, preferable in number 4 buck.




And I was more specific; You would need to lengthen the mag tube to load more than 2 rounds. Nurmich doesn't seem to have a longer tube for the Mac 10 so I suspect he's SOL.
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
13,180 Posts
And I was more specific; You would need to lengthen the mag tube to load more than 2 rounds. Nurmich doesn't seem to have a longer tube for the Mac 10 so I suspect he's SOL.
You did say that and I missed it and I apologize to you. My bad on that. :(

But the question was not and never has been about the choice of the gun in question, or what might work better. All such discussion is irrelevant.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
10,807 Posts
But the question was not and never has been about the choice of the gun in question, or what might work better. All such discussion is irrelevant.
True, but this would be a boring places without those "discussions." :rolleyes:
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
13,180 Posts
True, but this would be a boring places without those "discussions." :rolleyes:
True, but consider the audience. The question was asked by a first-time noob. What kind of impression are we making?

Just last week another first-timer showed up and checked in. The ensuing "discussion" devolved into a back-and-forth on Civil War prison camps, of all things. :( The noob hasn't posted again. And I can't say I blame him. :confused:
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3 Posts
The question still remains, my location is Florida, so take that as you will.

I am very familiar with what this gun does to waterfowl with steel shot and improved cylinder chokes in flooded timber in the Mississippi river flyway.

I did happen upon this youtube video and he doesn't seem to show a way to remove the magainze spring. Thoughts?

 

·
Administrator
Joined
·
7,758 Posts
Snake45,

Lest I be accused AGAIN by the CSM to answering in a roundabout way, I do NOT foresee ANY need for a TEN GAUGE of any sort for house defense, UNLESS that's ALL that the householder can acquire.

IF I was going to start "pass shooting" ducks (At 73YO, I seriously doubt if I'll suddenly start hunting ducks/geese.) & geese at LONG range OR hunting/fishing in Alaska, I MIGHT buy a 10 gauge for those SPECIALIZED purposes.
(My old Remington 870 suits my needs just FINE.)

yours, sw
 

·
Administrator
Joined
·
7,758 Posts
Snake 45,

YES, the ITHACA MAG TEN certainly CAN be modified to hold more than 2 shells in the magazine by having a gunsmith fit it with the extended magazine tube that is available for the ROADBLOCKER.

That said, doing that modification will NOT be inexpensive. = IF a person has a need for a 5 to 7 round TEN GAUGE, they could do FAR WORSE than buying a ROADBLOCKER, with the LONG accessory magazine tube, that was made for police/military use.

yours, sw
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
10,807 Posts
Accused? I thought I was defending you in a round about way. :(

FWI, I agree that the 10 gauge for home defense is too much, "... UNLESS that's ALL that the householder can acquire."

I have 3 pumps and as many double barreled shotguns I consider suitable for home defense. Smallest gauge is 20 and largest is 12, no sweet 16s though. Oh, there's a .410 in the safe but I don't claim that one; Was my MiL and now my wife's.

Walt, I've found the No. 4s work well outside too. I always hated picking doves. :rolleyes:

...Just last week another first-timer showed up and checked in. The ensuing "discussion" devolved into a back-and-forth on Civil War prison camps, of all things. The noob hasn't posted again. And I can't say I blame him.
Was he a damnyankee?
 

·
Administrator
Joined
·
7,758 Posts
csmkersh,

I have NO way of knowing if "the new guy" was a DAMNYANKEE or NOT. - Perhaps just a "snowflake'" who didn't like me posting THE TRUTH, i.e., the results of my WBTS research & commenting back & forth with our esteemed, longtime, member, CPT Gyro.
(The saying, "IF you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen", comes to mind.)

yours, sw
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,432 Posts
Apparently the Ithaca 10 gauge is limited to a 2 shot magazine with one in the chamber.
This follows the old Ithaca Model 37 in that the gun could use only a short magazine assembly due to how the barrel was mounted.
Later Model 37's had an extended magazine, but again, that's how the gun was made and it couldn't be user changed.

The Mag 10/Roadblocker has a gas system and barrel mounting system that can use only a 2 shot magazine.

The Ithaca 10 gauge in general and the "Roadblocker" in particular had a bad reputation for reliability, which killed it.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3 Posts
Thank you @dfariswheel for confirming my suspicions.

The gun is highly reliable, if you shoot shotshells made by Federal. I have had 2 of these guns, professionally gunsmith'd to reduce barrel length from long tom goose gun 36in to 24 inch mallard canon. #2s with IC choke as previously mentioned.

Both gun smiths have told me the same story: Ithaca designed the gun on federal ammo, and winchester/remington shells are millimeters different in their makeup. Ive stuck with federal, no problems, either gun, ever in 20+ years. I shoot some winchester XX and it hangs on ejection of the first shell every time.

Just because someone is a noob, doesnt mean they havent been around guns or have some knowledge of their guns and how they react. I litterally found this off a google search and thought Id hopefully find some good-ole boys to answer.

I agree, this is overkill for home defense. My 20ga 870 express is guarding a little lady in the midwest right now.

Thanks again.
 

·
Administrator
Joined
·
7,758 Posts
abnc123,

WELCOME ABOARD.

Fwiw, I have an old boarding school chum from 50+ years ago, who has a ROADBLOCKER & LIKES it very much.

Roy pastors a church in FAR northern, AK & says that it is COMFORTING to carry on his Snowcat, as the area has Polar Bears nearby, that are always hungry & "quite unfriendly".

yours, sw
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,432 Posts
We all hate the idea of running out of ammo, but when dealing with most situations of human or bear attacks, the issue is usually settled with less then 3 rounds, especially a 10 gauge.

True, if faced with multiple attackers more ammo is good, but sometimes this reaches the level of being ridiculous.
I've seen people at the range with a "home defense" Kel-Tec KSG loaded with Aquila mini-shells in both tubes, an extra shell carrier mounted on the gun, and a bag holding more shells.
Exactly what situation they think they're going to be facing is unclear...... A mass assault by a biker gang? WWIII and a Chinese human wave assault?

I've also seen Remington 870's with a Speedfeed stock holding shells, a shell carrier mounted on the receiver, more shells on an elastic carrier on the stock, AND a sling with more shells in loops.
These guns are so heavy you wonder if they can even lift it, much less make use of the famous speed at which a shotgun can be wielded.

Personally my shoulders can't deal with a 10 gauge these days, (they never could) and I'd feel a little uncomfortable with 3 shells, but then the Remington 870P Police guns I always owned only held 4 shells in the magazine.
The shotgun itself is somewhat over-kill on humans, and the 10 gauge is really over-kill, but as long as it can be handled with speed there's no reason not to use it.

The reason the shotgun is so effective is not so much the devastating load of shot or slugs it fires, it's the speed at which you can get the gun on target and fire that devastating round.
While a rifleman or pistol shooter is still getting the sights aligned and on target, the shotgunner has already dealt with the problem.
In shotguns, "Speed kills"... the bad guys.

EVERYTHING you add to a standard shotgun has a price and that price is lowered speed on target.
Everything you install adds weight and bulk, and that results in slower speed on target.
What you have to do is do an HONEST Real World cost-benefit analysis to determine if an accessory is enough actual Real World value to justify the slower speed.

Too many people who own "home defense" shotguns really own range toys.
 
21 - 35 of 35 Posts
Top