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A piece in the Air Force Times really set some tongues wagging on another board I visit from time to time.

Larry Vickers was less than enthusiastic about the 1911.

I think I see the point he was making. I also think he was speaking from the perspective of requiring a handgun to function in the harshest, most demanding conditions imaginable.

Y'all take a look and see what you think.

http://www.airforcetimes.com/offduty/te ... 1-060611w/
 

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Just wait; when people start modifying Glocks in currently unimagined ways to meet very limited purposes and trying to shoot unheard-of ammo through it, it will become famous as an unreliable has-been pistol. Of course, we'll just ignore those nasty rumors... :wink:
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When I read such articles, then how well the original box-stock M1911 with its designed ammo ran, I just wonder.
 

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I do believe a link to this same article is posted in the Handgun section.
 

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William R. Moore said:
I do believe a link to this same article is posted in the Handgun section.
Whoops! Another case of me leaping before I look. Mea Culpa. :wink:
 

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Well, THAT made me feel completely inadequate. :oops:

I guess there's just NO WAY that these 1911s I've been nailing together out of surplus, random, and lowest-bidder parts for the last 40 years can work or shoot as well as they do. Why, they must have been malfunctioning all the time all these years and I'm too stupid to have noticed.

I gess I is just a complete idjit. I needs to buy me a two thousand dollar gun, and then spend another two thousand dollars on a custom gunsmith to make sure it works. Well, I gess I could sell the trailer and live in a tent down by the river, coz a man hasta have a ree-liable 1911, don't he?
 

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WWJMB do?

Snake, you have a point. I'm wallowing in The Slough of Despond at the realization that Browning was just an ignorant Bubba gun-plumber.
 

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Who the bleep is Larry Vickers and why am I supposed to care about his typical Glock-cultist trash-talk again, anyway? LOL :p

For the record: I've read some of Vickers's articles and thought his advice about AR's was good--but there's no way I can accurately use a Glock, as they simply DO NOT fit the biomechanics of my hand an wrist and due to grip-angle cannot be made to do so. Unless they made a polymer-frame and Tenifer-coated G-1911... but that's about as likely as me crappin' diamonds.
 

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I seem to recall that LV is a longtime spec-ops guy of some kind and a pretty fair 1911 gunsmith himself. Was kind of surprised at some of the things he supposedly said, as they didn't really match my former impression of him (from mag articles).
 

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I seem to recall that LV is a longtime spec-ops guy of some kind and a pretty fair 1911 gunsmith himself. Was kind of surprised at some of the things he supposedly said, as they didn't really match my former impression of him (from mag articles).
Yeah, Mr Vickers is a former firearms instructor for 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment Delta - Delta Force. He is also a pretty hot gunsmith specializing in...wait for it...1911's. :shocked:

Snake, I ain't throwing my 1911's away. My box stock Kimber is reliable as hell and shoots better than I can. My well used Colt Officer's Model is cruising right along now with just new magazines and replacement springs from me. It can keep ball ammo inside a paper plate at 30 feet, which is more than adequate for me.

I'm not gonna heap a lotta grief on Vickers. I don't know what questions were asked or the context in which the quotes from him were taken. But even in a worst case scenario, what do the standards of Delta have to do my requirements for a self defense or duty pistol? Delta Operators might need a pistol that can make a head shot at 50 yards after being left in a mud puddle overnight...I don't.

So Snake old buddy, I am staying in the trailer and I ain't moving down to the river...durn things have been rising lately. And rest assured, I would trust any gun you put together to perform as required. :thumbsup:
 

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Vickers was the real deal in Delta but since he retired he has been promoting himself and trying to make a buck.

The powers that be are not happy with him since Delta is still a classified outfit that doesn't exist so promoting himself as a member is technically a no-no.

I did- do- not agree with some of his comments and know that a properly built 1911 in good hands can make 50 yd. head shots with boring regularity, function 100% of the time and NOT be loosey goosey. It ain't rocket science.
 

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He is the business of building four grand 1911's. If he says a service grade colt works for it's intended purpose out of the box, who is going to come to his holy alcove and plunk down forty benjamins to make a working gun work.

There is a great difference in the needs of a line cook to keep a personal defense sidearm on him and a "operator" doing HSLD takedowns of uber terr's when it comes to service pistols. Somehow mr vickers want us to assume that every armed military person needs a sidearm capable of head shots at fifty yards after a seven mile swim in liquid mud. That's a specialty gun for the elite.
 

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The powers that be are not happy with him since Delta is still a classified outfit that doesn't exist so promoting himself as a member is technically a no-no.
Guess they're a little irked at Paul Howe, too, huh?

It's always been my experience that the folks involved in "black ops" don't talk about it outside their little circle. But the Spec Ops community has gotten so large that it was inevitable that a few would break the code...that and the amount of money that pedigree could draw on the now lucrative "Learn to Shoot Like a Ranger/Green Beret/Navy Seal/Delta" market.

And it is a little silly to "deny" the existence of Delta. They were making movies about them in the 80's. It's like when I was stationed at Minot AFB. We couldn't confirm or deny the presence of nuclear weapons...with 150 Minuteman III Launch Facilities surrounding the base. Hard to do with a straight face. To have plausible deniability you gotta first be...well, plausible.
 

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I think so, Charlie. I was a Security Policeman for 14 years, retrained into training and education for 4 more. As a cop, I was a "Security Specialist". I walked around B-52's and worked the Minuteman 3 sites in Minot.
 

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.... I walked around B-52's and worked the Minuteman 3 sites in Minot.
Not much else to do in Minot is there? :D
 

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Back when I was a somewhat regular on Pistolsmith.Com Mr. Vickers was already a premier 1911 Smith. His favorite platform was ......Kimber. Then one day, out of the blue, either he posted or,I think maybe Dane posted, about his rant against Kimber. Swore he'd never work on another one.

Now, it seems, he's throwing the rest of them under the bus. I have all the respect in the world for the mans' talent but, it seems hypocritical to me for him to suddenly start badmouthing what made his name for him. Let's be honest, if he started out with Glocks or some other lesser gun, hardly anybody would know his name now. Now, here he is, trying to convince people who know better that a Glock, of all things, is a better fighting handgun than a 1911. A gun that he,through his work and his words, touted as the best.

Now, this is all either some ongoing breakdown or he's purposely destroying his credability and his reputation. Shame is, he's going to take the rest of Nighthawk Custom down with him.

Just another 'Plastic-Fantastic' lover.
 

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I expect we are going to see him standing in the booth, next to R. Lee pretty soon...
 

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CharliePetty,

fwiw, this week one could get "washed away forever" anywhere near Minot AFB! = last thing i heard it was flooding really bad there.

fyi, my first cousin was stationed in MAFB as a Minuteman crew guy in the mid-1970s. = Randy said it was a GREAT place to be stationed!
(i think his enthusiasum may have had "something to do with" the fact that he was a newlywed at the time & to a "quite lovely lass".)

yours, sw
 
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