[stand watie]

Friends,

I had a long talk today with "Leon" at the South Store of ODCMP.COM & was told about the available NAVY .308/7.62x51MM striped barreled-receivers.

He said that they are NICE, IN STOCK for mail-order & 350.oo plus 14.95 S&H.
(He also said that shipping is QUICKER than mail-order for complete rifles. - Maybe 30-45 days.)

So I'm considering buying 3 of them IF I can find "parts kits". - ANY IDEAS????

yours, sw

 

[Ratfink2u]

Hey, I'm having some issues my 308 M1 "Tanker" model (no its not a cut down)
The enbloc is very tough to push down to lock and I can't seem to re-load the enblocs properly. I know its me because it came with 16 pre-loaded enbloc's that fired but still had a tough time loading into the receiver. I'm new to M1 Garands and I'm picking up another one tomorrow. The seller told me the rifle is NIB and I believe him, its tighter than a frogs A$$ and shoots wonderfully! But I have to force the enblocs in and the bolt take two or three times to chamber a round ...
HELP?!?!?
sorry SW, didn't mean to throw off-topic...

 

[stand watie]

Ratfink2u,

That's OK. - There is an "enbloc loader" available, at times, on ebay & CHEAP, too.
(I can reload the clips BUT "tain't real fun", by "finger pressure" alone.)

Fyi, I'm PLEASED that your "tanker" shoots well. = I've never seen one that worked properly.
(According to my friend 2LT Joe Berry, USA Retired & late of Merrill's Marauders, MOST of the "tankers" were re-built in depots in the CBI Theater in the last year of WWII & Joe said that, "None of them shot worth a _ _ _ _." and, "It was an answer to a question that nobody should have asked.")

ADDENDA: Joe told me that the PRIMARY firearm of the Marauders turned out to be "cut-down M1 carbines & pistols" BUT that the MAIN "combat weapon" in the jungle of Burma was either a machete, a club or a native bolo, as firing ANY weapon meant that "EVERYBODY on both sides fired at whomever was DUMB enough to shoot first."
It should be noted that about 4300 Marauders & their native allies basically DESTROYED the 18th (Japanese) Field Army, a force of more than 25,000 troops; of that 4300, about 900 allied troops survived the "Jungle War".

The primary reason that I'd like to have a Garand in 7.62x51mm NATO is that I "have access to" LOTS of linked (M60) ball ammo for free.
(As the friendly neighborhood cheapskate, I LIKE FREE.)

Did your rifle come with a PLASTIC FILLER BLOC?

yours, sw

 

[Ratfink2u]

Ratfink2u,

That's OK. - There is an "enbloc loader" available, at times, on ebay & CHEAP, too.
(I can reload the clips BUT "tain't real fun", by "finger pressure" alone.)

Fyi, I'm PLEASED that your "tanker" shoots well. = I've never seen one that worked properly.
(According to my friend 2LT Joe Berry, USA Retired & late of Merrill's Marauders, MOST of the "tankers" were re-built in depots in the CBI Theater in the last year of WWII & Joe said that, "None of them shot worth a _ _ _ _." and, "It was an answer to a question that nobody should have asked.")

The primary reason that I'd like to have a Garand in 7.62x51mm NATO is that I "have access to" LOTS of linked (M60) ball ammo for free.
(As the friendly neighborhood cheapskate, I LIKE FREE.)

Did your rifle come with a PLASTIC FILLER BLOC?

yours, sw

Nope, no plastic filler bloc...good to know about the enbloc loader tho! Whats the plastic for?
My "tanker" is stamped with "tanker" right on the receiver and was made in the late 80's. The guy I bought it from bought it new and fired it less than 100 rounds.. Thanks SW

 

[stand watie]

Ratfink2u,

The PLASTIC bloc does 2 things:
1. STOPS anyone from loading 30.06 shells into the rifle
and
2. Improves feeding of 7.62x51mm.

Don't let anyone talk you into a METAL bloc, as they will eventually damage the other parts. Also the plastic bloc is cheap, like less than 5 bucks.

yours, sw

 

[CaptainGyro]

SW: What you were told over the phone seems to be at odds with the description of these receivers on the CMP website:

These barreled receivers are well worn and barrels may be shot out. Pitting and rust should be expected. These barreled receivers are being sold as is, with no returns or exchanges. Manufacturer is luck of the draw between SA, WRA, and HRA.

I know the website frequently overstates the negatives, in order to limit expectations and avoid complaints from disappointed buyers I suppose, but did you really get the impression these Navy receivers could be a good deal?

 

[Orlando]

You will never be able to build a rifle as cheap as buying a complete Garand. Many of those Navy Garand barreled Recivers have very high throat wear.

 

[stand watie]

Captain Gyro; Orlando; All,

I see NO good reason for "Leon" to tell me a bald-faced lie, as he isn't making $$$$ off trying to sell me a receiver/barrel. = He said that CMP has MANY very NICE Navy barreled receivers & that the site is not "correct".
(I bought a SA "Danish rack grade" from CMP a few years ago, for 450.oo, that was described as in "usable condition" & when it arrived it needed only a through cleaning/degreasing & "gauged" as a 2 at both ends. - It cleaned-up/refinished beautifully, after I finally got what seemed like 5 pounds of blackish CRUD off of it.)

In my experience, CMP "grossly under-estimates" the condition of EVERYTHING that they sell. - Most comments to www.odcom.com/forums about "Navy barreled receivers" indicate that the receivers LIKE what they got.

To Orlando: At the last big San Antonio gun-show, there was a dealer selling "Garand parts kits" less barrel/receiver for 300.oo.
Obviously, I have NO idea if he will be back to the gun-show this next time OR if he will have "cheap parts kits".

I don't have ANY Garands that I would sell for less than 800.oo.

yours, sw

 

[Orlando]

So the people (me included) who have first hand handled the barreled receivers are lying? Yes some of them are very nice ,I built one myself


From what I have seen and read and talked to others they all "look" nice but many match the grade description and have high throat wear, well above Army standards which will affect accuracy

If you can by a complete Garands parts kit that is inspec you should by all he has and resell them at a handsome profit

Sounds to me you already kniw it all and have your mind made up so good luck with whatever you decide to do, you will need it

 

[stand watie]

To ALL,

IF any of you wonder why we "good 'ole rebels" are generally "not too fond of" persons from Damnyankeeland, you have only to read the snarky comment at the end of "Orlando's" post above to know. ======> Insufferably arrogant, impolite, loud-mouthed, sanctimonious & self-interested generally describes many of them perfectly.

While I'm far from an "expert" on Garands, I bought my first one in 1962 (at age 15) & have had at least 3-4 at a time ever since.
(LTG Patton was 100% CORRECT about the Garand, imVho. - ImVho, a "select fire" BM59-style rifle in 7.62mm NATO or keeping the M14E2 would be "miles ahead of" the Mattel Special.)

I also believe that I own a copy of every "tech manual" that the USA published on the M1 Rifle except the USAREUR Army depots "Depot Rebuild Notes".
(Does anyone have one of that USAREUR Pam? - I would be a BUYER.)

yours, sw

 

[Orlando]

Well then I'm just a damn Yankee that was trying to help a damn stubborn rebel that wont accept it.
I have built ,collected studied and fired Grands for years, do I know everything?? Heck no not even close but I am open minded enough to accept those that do know more than me.
Again good luck

 

[Ratfink2u]

Ratfink2u,

The PLASTIC bloc does 2 things:
1. STOPS anyone from loading 30.06 shells into the rifle
and
2. Improves feeding of 7.62x51mm.

Don't let anyone talk you into a METAL bloc, as they will eventually damage the other parts. Also the plastic bloc is cheap, like less than 5 bucks.

yours, sw

Thanks SW!

 

[stand watie]

Ratfink2u,

Fyi, I talked to a ham friend in VA this afternoon. - We got to talking about "tankers" & he told me that he thinks that he has a plastic bloc in his junk box.

Do you want it?
(Presuming that he still has it, send me your snail-mail address & I can ask him to mail it to you.)

NOTE: RF, you might be interested in 2LT Berry's comments (in post #3) about the weapons used in the war in the Burmese jungle by the Marauders.

yours, sw

 

[stand watie]

To ALL,

Inasmuch as this is my thread, I'm going to tell everyone a bit more about 2LT Berry's comments about the physical condition of the Marauders at the conclusion of their war in Burma.

"When I got to British India, a Limey Doctor looked at me and said, 'Lad, you do not look so good.' Then he pinned a cardboard tag to my clothes that said, 'COE'. I asked him what COE means?"
The doctor told Joe, "A combination of everything. We are going to treat all of you for everything that might be wrong with you starting with A & ending at Z".
(Joe's "Abstract of Treatment" at the Allied Military Field Hospital near Mirdnar/Ledo, India indicates that, "Patient (Second Lieutenant - US) Berry presents with indications of active typhus, typhoid, unidentified jungle fevers, malaria, jungle ulcers, multiple unhealed wounds of several sorts, a fracture of the left upper extremity and loss of approximately half of patient's lean muscle mass.")

Joe told me that in February 1944, when he was "to enter special training" that he weighed "191 well-packed pounds". On the day of his admission to the military hospital in India, he weighed 89 pounds and, according to Joe, "I was in about average shape for our guys".

I HONOR THE MEMORY of EVERY MARAUDER. - They were all HEROES.

yours, sw

 

[Orlando]

Interesting info on the spacer block:
All they do is keep somone from loading a 30.06 rd. Personally I see no use for them and never have used one.Rifle will function fine without them
If you still decide to use one you will have to modify your stock for it to fit.
Heres a pic of a original USGI Navy Garand stock with the notches already cut for the spacer

 

[CaptainGyro]

OK, I'm sure there's something obvious I'm missing here, but how could a .30-06 round be loaded into a .308 chamber?

 

[Orlando]

OK, I'm sure there's something obvious I'm missing here, but how could a .30-06 round be loaded into a .308 chamber?

Ha, Good point ,it cant. Just a case of the military over engineering again.

 

[Orlando]

In all fairness Bill Ricca has said that they were also used to keep the shorter 7.62 rds from migrating forward during recoiL. Personally I have never had any isuues with not using them nor have I talked to anyone else that has.
Its really up to personal prefernce

 

[Ratfink2u]

To ALL,

Inasmuch as this is my thread, I'm going to tell everyone a bit more about 2LT Berry's comments about the physical condition of the Marauders at the conclusion of their war in Burma.

"When I got to British India, a Limey Doctor looked at me and said, 'Lad, you do not look so good.' Then he pinned a cardboard tag to my clothes that said, 'COE'. I asked him what COE means?"
The doctor told Joe, "A combination of everything. We are going to treat all of you for everything that might be wrong with you starting with A & ending at Z".
(Joe's "Abstract of Treatment" at the Allied Military Field Hospital near Mirdnar/Ledo, India indicates that, "Patient (Second Lieutenant - US) Berry presents with indications of active typhus, typhoid, unidentified jungle fevers, malaria, jungle ulcers, multiple unhealed wounds of several sorts, a fracture of the left upper extremity and loss of approximately half of patient's lean muscle mass.")

Joe told me that in February 1944, when he was "to enter special training" that he weighed "191 well-packed pounds". On the day of his admission to the military hospital in India, he weighed 89 pounds and, according to Joe, "I was in about average shape for our guys".

I HONOR THE MEMORY of EVERY MARAUDER. - They were all HEROES.

yours, sw

AMEN!
Thanks SW but I prolly don't need the bloc. The "tanker" operates very well except for the Enbloc problems but is dead-on accurate and cycles perfectly.

 

[stand watie]

Captain Gyro,

A .30-06 round can enter all but about 1/4 inch of the smaller chamber and IF that happens it will likely JAM the action (and the there POSSIBLY might be a danger of firing with the action NOT fully closed, though I doubt that that would happen.), given how powerfully that the Garand closes.

Otoh, I don't even want to think about what would happen if a 7.62x51 was fired in an .30-06 chamber.
(As the saying goes, "Nothing can be made idiot-proof, as idiots are so ingenious".)

yours, sw