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Hello,

I shot my qualification again last month and we had another M9 fail post-inspection for a broken locking block. Actually, both wings on the piece had broken, but the damage wasn't noted until after the pistol finished the course of fire and was disassembled for cleaning.

This seems to be par for course every time I fire. We usually lose one or two guns to broken locking blocks (about one for every dozen guns on the line), and they usually stop shooting right away. The fact that this one completed the course was a bit unusual. The part must have failed near the end.

I noticed that all the guns had the early "Gen 1" locking blocks without the radius cuts on the wings. I found it strange that the Air Force still hasn't seen fit to supply us with the "Gen 3" upgraded parts which are available.

For that matter, it sounds like we aren't getting any parts at all. The armorer said that the gun would be down for a long time, because they had absolutely no spare parts inventory and were prohibited from using the Govt Credit Card from purchasing them through open sources. For lack of a $25 part, the whole gun is now inop.

Most of the magazines in use were Checkmate junk, but there were a few OEM mags here and there in the group. They all seemed to run OK, but the range is pretty clean and conditions were favorable. No fine sand 'round here to muck things up.

The guns look tired. They have been rode hard and in some cases, abused. The rear sight on mine was drifted way over to one side, and it didn't look like it was done by an armorer! The finish on all the guns was pretty trashed. Incidentally, these are the same guns that get issued operationally, not just a pool of training guns.

You've gotta give the design credit, though. If you maintain it properly, it will keep on running and will beat most service autos for accuracy. Give it a good magazine, good ammo and proper lube, and it will work fine, even if it looks like some numbskull used it as a hammer.

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Mike
 

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Gee, I thought y'all only used the M9 as a badge of rank, you actually shoot them?

Given what's spent on maintenance of expensive stuff that really matters, the don't fix it till it breaks shouldn't be a surprise on minor stuff. From what I've heard the attitude isn't restricted to the AF. Again, based upon stories, near the end of the budget year, things may change.
 

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Hello,

I wish they were history Charlie, but they're not. Someone who spends more time with our guns could give you a better and more accurate update, but my limited experience indicates it's a continuing problem. I'm starting to wonder if the AF is working off an original supply of old locking blocks, or if they just keep contracting for the old design? I don't see why we aren't using the latest designs that alleviate the problem.

It makes me wonder what the Army and Marine Corps are doing. Does anybody know if they are using the newer locking block designs? I would hope that at least the Marines have the updated part in their new M9A1 pistols.

William, we don't shoot the guns a lot (except for training), but they get banged around a lot in gunboxes and so forth! Lots of wear and tear on the outside. There's a lot of Airmen on the ground these days too, in support and security roles, running convoys and doing all kinds of non-traditional stuff for blue-suiters. The guns don't spend much time in the armory.

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Been awhile since I revisited this. I've since recalled a story about how, near the time of adoption, a bunch of senior NCOs were getting the factory tour and introduction to the workings of what became the M9. When it was pointed out to the factory folks that the sharp corners of the locking block and it's recess in the slides would serve as stress risers and result in cracking, the factory folks were neither impressed with their expertise nor pleased with the criticism.

The attitude was presented as their being insulted that mere NCOs would question Pietro Berretta et all, who had been making guns since whenever.

The tendency to buy a product and then ignore preventive maintenance and upgrades isn't limited to the military.
 

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I've got a better one...

At the Shot show when all the slide failures were new I asked about it at the Beretta booth. The rep... who should be grateful I didn't take his name... told me with a straight face that the only reason for the failures were because of Federal ammo: a 147 gr. +P+

I went straight to the Federal booth and found their law enforcement guy who was a friend... Federal hadn't made any.. yet. They did later
 

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I've got a better one...

At the Shot show when all the slide failures were new I asked about it at the Beretta booth. The rep... who should be grateful I didn't take his name... told me with a straight face that the only reason for the failures were because of Federal ammo: a 147 gr. +P+

I went straight to the Federal booth and found their law enforcement guy who was a friend... Federal hadn't made any.. yet. They did later
Was that a variation of the story that SEALs had run what were essentially proof loads (subgun ammo?) through their early M9s?
 

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I think the original problem happened with Winchester ammo "allegedly" 147 gr. done for their MP5SD.

But at the time Beretta was grasping at straws and would blame anyone they could.

I really love the fix too... the FS hammer pin so when the slide broke it wouldn't come off and hurt anyone...:shame:
 

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A blast from the past:
Dean Speir's article on the M9 failures from 'The Gun Zone':
The Gun Zone -- The M9 Slide Failures

Very interesting (to me,anyway) is one cite that states that an M9 slide was magnafluxed at 6000 rounds and "...no cracks or fatigue discovered. At 6007 rounds, the slide separated." quote from TGZ
 
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