Tell that to the Rangers who were in Somalia, many of who made accurate centermass shots and were still unable to "knock down" their attacker's (who by the way had .30 cal rifles) And don't even get me started on the ballsitics of a .223 round after it hits a soft or even a semi-hard target. Accuracy & penetration goes out the window. Don't get me wrong, I like the mouse guns, I own a bunch of them. But I own about twice as many 308 rifles in various configurations. I also hunt with .30 cal rifles not a .223 manily for it's single round "anchoring" ability. Do yourself a favor, if you like the AR design & series so much, then go out and buy yourself an AR-10 in .308! you will get more practical use out of it.Okbyme said:Put 60 gr NOsler Partitions in a 223, at 3000 fps, and they will still be excellent manstoppers at 300m. So little intentional hitting is needed (or gets done) at longer ranges, that the 223's likely leaving the guy functional for 20-30 seconds is irrelevant.
The issue of it being an H & K aside, it seems to me that a .223/5.56 could potentially be either or neither. What---there are currently something like 68 countries using the .223/5.56 as the cartridge for their primary firearm---no other firearm, save the AK series, even comes close-----and even they are moving the AK away from the big 7.62 x 39 cartridge.Grunt said:IMHO, .223 is to an MBR as "homosexual unions" are to marriage. You can change the definitions all you want but at the end of the day, an assualt rifle is an assualt rifle, a battle rifle is a battle rifle, and a "homosexual union" ain't no married couple! :wink: