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Poor dazed and confused Mueller, he had Barr write him a letter so he wouldn't have to answer embarrassing questions and took a date to keep him from incriminating himself.
Comey's his pal but he doesn't want to share a cell with him.
Comey's his pal but he doesn't want to share a cell with him.
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The Dims HAVE to keep "investigating" and talking about impeachment.
They have no choice.
The old creeps in the party are terrified at today's party base who are really driving the party now.
The old F**ts know their days in power are numbered and they think the absolute most terrible fate that can befall America is that they lose an election and get sent to the showers.
Remember the Pelosi's Schumer's, Nadler's and Schiff's have been in office for most of their lives.
Most have never held a real job, and power is the most addictive drug.
Once tasted some people can never give it up willingly.
They've been stirring up the radical base for years, went full bore crazy the last several years, and now there's no way to back down without getting primaried like AOC did to a favored old F**t in New York.
So, they have to at least do a good job of LOOKING like they're going to get Trump.
Also, continuing to "investigate" will keep the base stirred up so they'll turn out to vote in 2020.
Look for all this BS to continue until the next election and beyond.
If they retain power in the House and Trump is re-elected it will continue with "hearings".
If they lose and lose the House they'll just continue, only by speeches and appearances on MSNBC and CNN instead of in hearings.
The old Democrat party of FDR, Truman, and JFK died in the 60's and was replaced by the Left radicals of today.
They're aging, and the younger hard corps Left radicals are coming on strong.
As I said in a post above, once the Left infiltrates and takes over an organization and gets full power, then they begin to purge the less-than True Believers.
That's what's beginning now with the national Dim party.
The Hard Left is beginning to purge the old not Hard Left enough.
They have no choice.
The old creeps in the party are terrified at today's party base who are really driving the party now.
The old F**ts know their days in power are numbered and they think the absolute most terrible fate that can befall America is that they lose an election and get sent to the showers.
Remember the Pelosi's Schumer's, Nadler's and Schiff's have been in office for most of their lives.
Most have never held a real job, and power is the most addictive drug.
Once tasted some people can never give it up willingly.
They've been stirring up the radical base for years, went full bore crazy the last several years, and now there's no way to back down without getting primaried like AOC did to a favored old F**t in New York.
So, they have to at least do a good job of LOOKING like they're going to get Trump.
Also, continuing to "investigate" will keep the base stirred up so they'll turn out to vote in 2020.
Look for all this BS to continue until the next election and beyond.
If they retain power in the House and Trump is re-elected it will continue with "hearings".
If they lose and lose the House they'll just continue, only by speeches and appearances on MSNBC and CNN instead of in hearings.
The old Democrat party of FDR, Truman, and JFK died in the 60's and was replaced by the Left radicals of today.
They're aging, and the younger hard corps Left radicals are coming on strong.
As I said in a post above, once the Left infiltrates and takes over an organization and gets full power, then they begin to purge the less-than True Believers.
That's what's beginning now with the national Dim party.
The Hard Left is beginning to purge the old not Hard Left enough.
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Went sideways and stopped upside down ... but the extreme libs still think it will buff out and impeach Trump...
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To All,
Personally, I really want the LEFTIST DIMocRATS to IMPEACH The POTUS, as that will RUIN any remaining chance that the DIMs have to keep the HoR, not lose a LOT of seats in the Senate & lose in a humiliating bloodbath in the Electoral College.
The General Election of 2020 is OVER for the FAR LEFT, prejudiced, clueless DIMocRATS.
Now it's time to make the party irrelevant in 2024, 2028 and for elections after that.
yours, sw
Personally, I really want the LEFTIST DIMocRATS to IMPEACH The POTUS, as that will RUIN any remaining chance that the DIMs have to keep the HoR, not lose a LOT of seats in the Senate & lose in a humiliating bloodbath in the Electoral College.
The General Election of 2020 is OVER for the FAR LEFT, prejudiced, clueless DIMocRATS.
Now it's time to make the party irrelevant in 2024, 2028 and for elections after that.
yours, sw
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Whenever I need an uplifting moment.
Well as we all know here, I'm neither Republican nor Democrat, so quite predictably I see things very differently.
Sadly, I really think BOTH parties have no interest in the entirety of the report; they just pick and choose the parts that make their points.
From MY objective assessment, both parties are wrong.
Where the Democrats are wrong: While there are clear instances of wrong doing, there is insufficient evidence for a CRIMINAL conviction of ANYTHING. To impeach based on something other than a criminal offense is a very dangerous road to go down (not to mention, it's just not going to go anywhere).
Where the Republicans are wrong; While there is insufficient evidence to get a conviction of any crime; there is clear evidence of horrible behavior from a president.
Democrats need to understand their case is a loser, and the investigation shouldn't have never gone any further than the report...and I'd really like to see them shut up and move on.
Republicans need to (in my opinion) recognize that Trumps behavior is horrific...and I'll just have to leave it at that. Because if you REALLY have read the report and see absolutely nothing wrong in there. Well, don't be surprised if the rest of the world begins to take the Republican party less and less seriously as time goes on.
Sadly, I really think BOTH parties have no interest in the entirety of the report; they just pick and choose the parts that make their points.
From MY objective assessment, both parties are wrong.
Where the Democrats are wrong: While there are clear instances of wrong doing, there is insufficient evidence for a CRIMINAL conviction of ANYTHING. To impeach based on something other than a criminal offense is a very dangerous road to go down (not to mention, it's just not going to go anywhere).
Where the Republicans are wrong; While there is insufficient evidence to get a conviction of any crime; there is clear evidence of horrible behavior from a president.
Democrats need to understand their case is a loser, and the investigation shouldn't have never gone any further than the report...and I'd really like to see them shut up and move on.
Republicans need to (in my opinion) recognize that Trumps behavior is horrific...and I'll just have to leave it at that. Because if you REALLY have read the report and see absolutely nothing wrong in there. Well, don't be surprised if the rest of the world begins to take the Republican party less and less seriously as time goes on.
I'm no fan of Trump, and I found it strangely enjoyable watching the media elite squirm.
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"No exoneration"
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Trump is absolutely not a traditional politician and doesn't behave like one.
He behaves like a man who's spent his life around some rough construction workers.
He's never learned how to guard his words and never had too.
Yes he says outrageous things, which is why many people like him, it's "authentic" and like many Americans talk out in the Real World.
If you ever notice, most Dims speak down to the audience.
When they appear before a Southern black crowd their manner of speaking and language changes to the "Ya-all" and "I ain't no how tard" format.
Trump speaks to kings, dictators, and ordinary people the same way.
He is what he is and a lot of people like some authenticity.
If you have to try to be "authentic".... you aren't.
I keep in mind that this entire thing started with Hillary and the DNC breaking the law (what else is new?) by laundering campaign money through a law firm to have Fusion GPS to hire a foreign agent to go to Russian and buy whatever sleazy stories about Trump could be found.
OF COURSE Putin knew about this and ordered his people to feed some good ones to the British former agent.
The Dims used that fake info to try to destroy Trump's campaign.
When it failed to stop him, they used the report to justify spying on the Trump campaign with Obama certainly knowing it was happening.
The Obama people began shopping the report around to make sure it got published, and began using the intelligence agencies to ""unmask" people suspected of nothing and exposing them to the very willing press as suspects in something.
When Trump survived they began actively carrying on actual spying operations against Trump and people around him, using the fake report to convince FISA judges to issue warrants.
(And why isn't Barr asking some pointed questions of the FISA judges?)
When Trump shocked them by beating Hillary the efforts switched to an attempted soft coup to either force Trump to resign, or have him impeached.
All of this blew up in their faces and now the participants are frightened to death they'll be exposed and prosecuted.
The Inspector's report is due out in September, delayed because Steele agreed to talk to them and they needed to follow up based on what he told them.
By all rumors the report is going to be brutal, and very likely will lead to indictments of some very important people in the FBI, justice department, and the Obama administration.
From what it looks like now, Mueller was hired to look until he could find something, anything, and even though his staff was filled with Trump hating Hillary donors, they still couldn't find anything useful.
So, they used an artfully written report to try to muddy up Trump to give the Dims some cover to impeach.
Now people are wondering just how much oversight and control Mueller actually had. He was suspiciously rather uninformed about his own report yesterday.
In American law there IS NO "We couldn't exonerate".
A prosecutor has to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
If he thinks a crime was committed AND thinks he can prove it, he indicts and tries the suspect.
If he can't prove it, he SHUTS HIS MOUTH.
A citizen is innocent until proven guilty and any prosecutor who trashes out a citizens name without proof would be disbarred.
As for Trumps tweets and statements, in hind sight they sound like a New York guy who's outraged he's been falsely accused of things he didn't do.
Trump is like Rush Limbaugh in one respect.... the Left can't understand that a lot of what he says is humor and intended to set them off...which it does.
He plays the Left and Press (but I repeat myself) like a violin.
He saws across their delicate strings and they squeal.
I don't like some things Trump SAYS, but I like what he tries to DO.
What I can't forget or ever forgive, is that some of the very top people in our government interfered in a fair election and when it failed they conspired to remove a duly elected president.
This is incredibly dangerous to a free country.
When our "betters" start trying to prevent the American people from electing whoever they want, a country will fail and descend into violence and dictatorship.
This is how you wind up with at best a banana republic.
Don't like Trump? Try to beat him at the polls.
He behaves like a man who's spent his life around some rough construction workers.
He's never learned how to guard his words and never had too.
Yes he says outrageous things, which is why many people like him, it's "authentic" and like many Americans talk out in the Real World.
If you ever notice, most Dims speak down to the audience.
When they appear before a Southern black crowd their manner of speaking and language changes to the "Ya-all" and "I ain't no how tard" format.
Trump speaks to kings, dictators, and ordinary people the same way.
He is what he is and a lot of people like some authenticity.
If you have to try to be "authentic".... you aren't.
I keep in mind that this entire thing started with Hillary and the DNC breaking the law (what else is new?) by laundering campaign money through a law firm to have Fusion GPS to hire a foreign agent to go to Russian and buy whatever sleazy stories about Trump could be found.
OF COURSE Putin knew about this and ordered his people to feed some good ones to the British former agent.
The Dims used that fake info to try to destroy Trump's campaign.
When it failed to stop him, they used the report to justify spying on the Trump campaign with Obama certainly knowing it was happening.
The Obama people began shopping the report around to make sure it got published, and began using the intelligence agencies to ""unmask" people suspected of nothing and exposing them to the very willing press as suspects in something.
When Trump survived they began actively carrying on actual spying operations against Trump and people around him, using the fake report to convince FISA judges to issue warrants.
(And why isn't Barr asking some pointed questions of the FISA judges?)
When Trump shocked them by beating Hillary the efforts switched to an attempted soft coup to either force Trump to resign, or have him impeached.
All of this blew up in their faces and now the participants are frightened to death they'll be exposed and prosecuted.
The Inspector's report is due out in September, delayed because Steele agreed to talk to them and they needed to follow up based on what he told them.
By all rumors the report is going to be brutal, and very likely will lead to indictments of some very important people in the FBI, justice department, and the Obama administration.
From what it looks like now, Mueller was hired to look until he could find something, anything, and even though his staff was filled with Trump hating Hillary donors, they still couldn't find anything useful.
So, they used an artfully written report to try to muddy up Trump to give the Dims some cover to impeach.
Now people are wondering just how much oversight and control Mueller actually had. He was suspiciously rather uninformed about his own report yesterday.
In American law there IS NO "We couldn't exonerate".
A prosecutor has to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
If he thinks a crime was committed AND thinks he can prove it, he indicts and tries the suspect.
If he can't prove it, he SHUTS HIS MOUTH.
A citizen is innocent until proven guilty and any prosecutor who trashes out a citizens name without proof would be disbarred.
As for Trumps tweets and statements, in hind sight they sound like a New York guy who's outraged he's been falsely accused of things he didn't do.
Trump is like Rush Limbaugh in one respect.... the Left can't understand that a lot of what he says is humor and intended to set them off...which it does.
He plays the Left and Press (but I repeat myself) like a violin.
He saws across their delicate strings and they squeal.
I don't like some things Trump SAYS, but I like what he tries to DO.
What I can't forget or ever forgive, is that some of the very top people in our government interfered in a fair election and when it failed they conspired to remove a duly elected president.
This is incredibly dangerous to a free country.
When our "betters" start trying to prevent the American people from electing whoever they want, a country will fail and descend into violence and dictatorship.
This is how you wind up with at best a banana republic.
Don't like Trump? Try to beat him at the polls.
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The Brits are so disgusted by President Trump that they just elevated their own version of him to Prime Minister.
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What fries me is that the Steele Dossier was a total concocted lie bought and paid for by the Hillary Clinton campaign, was used as the primary means of obtaining the FISA warrant, and this sick matter is, so far, unaddressed by the justice system.
Trump has not engaged, IMHO, in any criminal activities, and is entitled to the presumption of innocence.
I would not go so far as to characterize his behaviour as "horrible," but he is no saint and I didn't elect him to be one. He strikes me as someone with "sharp elbows" - - you risk getting a good poke if you approach him the wrong way, and 50%+ are going to do that in politics.
He is a born and bred denizen raised in the lowest bowels of The Naked City, full of people stuffed in a few islands where there is a certain .... "intensity" to existance. Both a friend of mine, and my father spent years working there and I've been there enough. Trump may never have lived in a Alphabet City slum but neither are the ritzy places anywhere near what places like Bel Air and other places where real land exists with real Vistas that don't include concrete and steel towers.
President Donald J. Trump is the quintessential New Yorker who went to the top the rough way.
I am divided on Trump in some ways. Yes, he tweets b.s. that he shouldn't. He badly needs a filter. He has the patina of the old snake-oil salesman when he tauts "beautiful yuge walls" and such, but, save for that wall, he delivers. He's done much, despite opposing democrat ass-hattery and precious few allies amongst the stoopid republican contingent.
He's crude. Ok. Other presidents were too. JFK was respected for a beautiful wife, but bedded every female he could while Jackie was busy in a different room, and even so far as to bed one who was a communist spy. Imagine the bed talk there!
His successor urinated in the Rose Garden and picked up his Beagle dog pet by its ears. Nice. Too bad PETA wasn't around ... and I won't bother regurgitating tales of LBJ's Texas career.
FDR carried on a career long affair with a secretary. He died of degenerative heart disease almost in her arms. I guess being married to a cousin isn't good for marriages or the heart.
And Trump fights back. Maybe it isn't presidential ... but if urinating in the Rose Garden IS, I will take the Orange President everyday.
And I am still sucking in the schadenfreude of it NOT BEING PRESIDENT HILLARY CLINTON!!!!!!:wink:
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Amen.
There's a reason that Barr has tapped a prosecutor that specializes in unearthing corruption in federal law enforcement and clandestine agencies.
Durham is coming...
There's a reason that Barr has tapped a prosecutor that specializes in unearthing corruption in federal law enforcement and clandestine agencies.
Durham is coming...
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I caught a couple of minutes. Sad to see an old guy used like that. OTOH, he cut the legs out from under a couple of uppity Dems, which was real nice to see.
I find the Dems issue with Russian "interference" strange considering the things the "O" did to try and unseat the current Israeli PM. Apparently, it's OK if they do it to someone else, but not if it gets done to them. What goes around comes around.
I find the Dems issue with Russian "interference" strange considering the things the "O" did to try and unseat the current Israeli PM. Apparently, it's OK if they do it to someone else, but not if it gets done to them. What goes around comes around.
GG - I fully agree with your assessment. I think things are going to keep going on this track, because the Hard Leftists have threatened to run a Primary Challenger against Jerry Nadler. So, with his feet to the fire like that, there is a strong motivation for him to go full speed ahead whether or not there is any chance of success, if only up to the 2020 election. Pelosi and some others remember the 1990s and that going for impeachment with no real result would be a disaster, but the SDS types who have taken over much of the Party* want to attack the system right now, including their own Party.
*In the 2000s, the Democratic Leadership threw out a bunch of charismatic young centrists, like Harold Ford of Tennessee. They also brought in the Hard Left to organize against Bush and the Iraq War for them. (Code Pink and ANSWER, the two main organizing groups, were fronts for Communist Party, USA, and their web links took people directly to CP-USA's web site) This gave the Communists, not the Bill Clinton or Carter or Kennedy Democrats, the first crack at assessing, recruiting and indoctrinating all those young, motivated new arrivals. Between that and the purging of young centrists, here we are. Particularly the Democratic Leadership, who quite possibly thought that they could use what was left of a then-dead American hard left for their own purposes without the organizers pulling their cart for them eventually deciding that they wanted to be the ones driving it.
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