[Kevin Gibson]

You know, I really don’t follow campaigns, and I most certainly don’t watch or even have any interest at all in presidential debates. People call Obama the Liar in Chief, but truth be told, he’s no different from most any other presidential candidate I’ve ever seen. In every debate I've ever watched, BOTH candidates say they're going to do this or that, when they know full well that what they "promise" to do is completely outside their power to do...Politicians lie. As far as I can tell, they're ALL candidates for "Liar In Chief"

Romney’s newfound love of the 2nd Amendment doesn’t impress me one bit. He just happens to be pro-gun at a time when it’s very popular to be pro-gun. But I remember when it was popular to bash guns, and Romney never saw a gun law he didn’t like. If by some chance it’s no longer popular to be pro-gun, Romney will abandon gun owners like a rat from a sinking ship. Sorry guys, I’m not convinced and I’m not going to trust this jerk. Not that I’m sweet on Obama, don't like him at all either.

To my way of thinking, this is THE year to vote 3rd party if ever there was one. Look on things that really count, I can’t tell the difference between Romney and Obama. After passing a socialized medicine program in his state suddenly now he’s all against it? Really? Give me a break, this guy is all for whatever will get him elected, period. He’s big government, big spending, socially liberal...wasn’t that what the Democrats stand for? But we’ll vote for Romney just because he’s not a Democrat; that’s ridiculous. That is blind faith if ever there was such a thing.

The Republican party is so lost in the woods it’s not even funny. They call Romney a real candidate? THIS is what qualifies for a Republican? Honestly I don’t see that Romney is going to be any different than Obama, or at the very least I can’t trust him to be, so why the hell would I vote for him? Obama is a wishy-washy whatever way the wind blows president and I see NOTHING that indicates Romney will be any different. The Republican party is never going to learn if we just blindly vote for any idiot with an R next to his name just because he’s not a D...even though all he stands for is pure D.

So I really don’t care if Romney loses because I voted 3rd party. I’m not willing to lose the war, just so I don’t lose one battle. If Romney is defeated because record numbers of Republicans cast their vote for a 3rd party who is ACTUALLY a conservative, THAT is more important to me than 4 more years of Obama. We can survive 4 years of Obama. What we CAN’T survive is BOTH parties being liberal...if that happens then what does it matter which letter the guy has next to his name; we’re still the losers?


Okay, I’ll stop ranting now and ya’ll can flame on.

 

[Snake45]

Kevin, old buddy, you know I loves ya, but I couldn't disagree with you more on this one.

I don't like RINOmney much if any more than you do, but it is absolutely essential this time that we defeat King Hussein. We CANNOT survive another four years of him--not and have a country that we still recognize as America.

AFAIC, anyone who doesn't vote for Romney in November is as much as voting for King Hussein and is helping him get re-coronated. The choice couldn't be more clear--we get rid of him, or America dies. It's just that simple.

Will RINOmney be the cure for what ails us? Probably not. But at least he won't make us any worse, which is what will happen with four more years of the communist monkeys running the country. And who knows, maybe he'll turn out to be better than we expect.

 

[Kevin Gibson]

Kevin, old buddy, you know I loves ya, but I couldn't disagree with you more on this one.

Back at ya my frind; I respect you greatly, but I just can't agree with your logic on this one. It's not the end of the world, and as long as people keep thinking that way, we're just turning this nation over to the liberals...which is fine, if that's what you really want, but I don't think for a minute that's what you really want.

I don't like RINOmney much if any more than you do, but it is absolutely essential this time that we defeat King Hussein. We CANNOT survive another four years of him--not and have a country that we still recognize as America.

I disagree...everyone said that when Clinton was in office...doom and gloom, we're all going to die, there's no way the nation can survive it...yeah, yeah, yeah; heard it a million times. Guess what, we survived it, and while it won't be fun, it's worth 4 more years of Obama to get the Republican party to wake up and consider conservatism again.

AFAIC, anyone who doesn't vote for Romney in November is as much as voting for King Hussein and is helping him get re-coronated. The choice couldn't be more clear--we get rid of him, or America dies. It's just that simple.

Again, more of the same... America won't die, complete BS. Besides, I live in Arkansas...My state will go to Romney just as sure as California will go to Obama. If you don't vote Republican in Arkansas, basically your vote doesn't count. So my protest vote just adds to the numbers that just won't play the Republican game anymore. Honestly, if you call yourself a conservative, I don't see how you can just keep playing along...Romney now, God knows what in the future; where does it end?

Will RINOmney be the cure for what ails us? Probably not. But at least he won't make us any worse, which is what will happen with four more years of the communist monkeys running the country. And who knows, maybe he'll turn out to be better than we expect.

Romney will ABSOLUTELY make us worse...He's a big spending, big government, socially liberal...liberal. Plus he just can't wait to get us into another war that we can't afford.

So you say that if I don't vote for Romney that I'm voting for Obama. I say that a vote for Romney is acceptance of the liberal agenda, just that you prefer your liberals to have an R next to their name.

 

[Snake45]

You'd REALLY rather King Hussein picks the next two SCOTUS judges, rather than Somebody Else?

Sorry, Monty, I'll take Whatever's Behind Door Number Two. What I have right now is a wheelbarrow full of hot, steaming camel crap. I really doubt that Whatever's Behind Door Number Two is TWO wheelbarrows full of hot, steaming camel crap.

 

[WaltGraham]

Since I lack Snakey's knack for eloquent repartee; what he said...

 

[Kevin Gibson]

You'd REALLY rather King Hussein picks the next two SCOTUS judges, rather than Somebody Else?

Sorry, Monty, I'll take Whatever's Behind Door Number Two. What I have right now is a wheelbarrow full of hot, steaming camel crap. I really doubt that Whatever's Behind Door Number Two is TWO wheelbarrows full of hot, steaming camel crap.

Well like I said, we're just handing it over to the liberals, and some are happy to do it just as long as there's an R next to their name. When the choice is liberal or liberal where do you go next? Sorry, but this guy gets off the ride.

 

[TommyGunn]

The Republican party is so lost in the woods it's not even funny. They call Romney a real candidate? THIS is what qualifies for a Republican? Honestly I don't see that Romney is going to be any different than Obama, or at the very least I can't trust him to be, so why the hell would I vote for him? Obama is a wishy-washy whatever way the wind blows president and I see NOTHING that indicates Romney will be any different.

:shame::shame:
Obama is hardly "wishy-washy," he's a pretty dedicated leftist. While Romney is not great on the second amendment he has accrued great credit in the business world and if we need anything now it's someone who knows how to get business going. I do really wonder if anyone can do this given how bloated the govt. has been and how regulation has stifled business.
Romney is likely to have a big fight with congress on his hands as IMO enough demonrats will survive to put up said fight.
But these regulations are the life & blood of Obama. If he's re-elected we're going to continue this economic stagnation, maybe even enter a double-dip recession (if we're not there now) or a true depression. Obama is an empty suit. He has no clue whatsoever about what to do.
During the 1930s FDR sat in the White House whining that the dirty-rich industrialists were conspiring against his programs; after a few ABC agencies and expensive programs the depression just kept on oppressing the economic life of America, year after year. Now it's Obama who's in the Oval Office whining that the banks aren't lending (duh -- wonder why??) and the evil republicans are stifling his attempts to benefit the country, despite the fact that for two years the democrats held all three branches of government.
So there is a difference. Believe it. Is Romney imperfect? Sure. You know what; none of the republican contenders really lit a fire in my political gut.
But I can't take another four years of Obama.

I don't like RINOmney much if any more than you do, but it is absolutely essential this time that we defeat King Hussein. We CANNOT survive another four years of him--not and have a country that we still recognize as America

.

I disagree...everyone said that when Clinton was in office...doom and gloom, we're all going to die, there's no way the nation can survive it...yeah, yeah, yeah; heard it a million times. Guess what, we survived it, and while it won't be fun, it's worth 4 more years of Obama to get the Republican party to wake up and consider conservatism again.

During Clinton's terms we were largely riding high on an economic boom that was the result of what Reagan had done a decade earlier. Aside from that Clinton was much more of a centrist than Obama, had more political savvy and had run a state. His one major failing was honesty and that earned him an impeachment.
Today we're in a economic morass. I'm no where near as sanguine about this country's ability to survive an ever increasing national debt (now approachin 16 trillion dollars) and the fact that we have greatly expanded the "moocher class" of people. More people than ever are on the public dole.
And no one is doing anythiung about this increasing debt. All debts come due sometime and pretty soon we won't be able to service our debt. Some large cities are now bankrupt. Even states are scrounging for $$$.
This cannot continue ad infinitum.
So while there were people around fifty years ago wearing sandwich boards proclaiming the "end of the world," and the endtimes is an ancient meme (history shows people living in the mid to late 900s thought the world would end in the year 1000) we are in a real economic pickle that while it won't eliminate America (any more than the fall of the Roman Empire turned the Italian "boot" into a vast unpopulated wasteland) it will very well turn us into a third world country. Remember that there are "fat tails" and "black swans." These are terms statisticians give to phenomenon that are so rare they occur at the ends of the "bell curve" and people rarely if ever see. Black Swans are named that because people once believed there were no black swans. But when Magellon and Columbus opened up the world's oceans to exploration, we discovered real black swans.
And if Obama is re-elected we'll likely discover another black swan.
But this one eats children for breakfast.
So fer Crissake man, GET WITH THE PROGRAM!!!!
If for no other reason that I will go clinically insane if I have to listen to our current cockalorum president and snollygoster continue to be a idiotic blatherskite on cable TV! Please PLEASE I CAN'T TAKE HIM MUCH LONGER!!

 

[Charlie Petty]

well... I can see points on both sides and IF there was a viable third party I'd probably be there.

The Republicans have made a mockery of the democratice process because whether an idea is right or wrong they say no anyhow. A second term president has nothing to loose...

Romney doesn't inspire me and the few republican candidates that did had not a chance in hell to make the ticket but I'll vote for him.

We just had a congressional runoff for Republicans down here and the guy who won really fits the current mold of just say no Republicans. I voted for the other guy who showed at least some sense of moderation.

 

[Kevin Gibson]

Today we're in a economic morass. I'm no where near as sanguine about this country's ability to survive an ever increasing national debt (now approachin 16 trillion dollars) and the fact that we have greatly expanded the "moocher class" of people.

Might I remind you that both TARP and Stimulus were REPUBLICAN plans!

 

[TommyGunn]

TARP was but the stimulus was Obama.
Obama has added on more debt to this country than all previous administrations combined.

If I was to act as my feelings dictated, I would crawl under my bed and pull it in after me this election. The whole subject of politics has turned from a subject that I found vibrant, entertaining and lively into a depressing grindstone around my neck.
But I still have a sense of civic duty and that is the only real reason I see for going to the voting booth and casting my vote. I strongly suspect, however, that I will not be watching any TV shows covering the election --which means NO TV at all, that I will be spending that day either watching DVDs or reading or busy outside the house while avoiding radio news.
I guess the next morning I'll have to face reality and with great trepidation & fear, turn on a radio or TV and grin and bear it as I wait for a newsreader to announce the winner.
The one thing that Obama HAS succeeded in doing is to get me much more into prepping than I was before. Still not really there but I am working toward it.

 

[Skeptic49]

There is no moderation in saving the nation. Not now with the New-Communist-Democrat Party trying to squander the US of A into the third world.

Obama is for a "strong middle class" we don't have any class here, this is the US of A, just ask a Brit.

I fear BHOs vision of a middle class is the Government Masters who stand between the Nazi power elite and the slave classes like in any third or fourth world hell hole.

Romney is LDS before he is a liberal and hopefully a strong States Rights champion. I think just ending the Presidential Orders locking up our natural resources would create a boom like we see in the Dakotas all over the country.

Geoff
Who wants more Alaskans working, not killing themselves. (Yes, I'm still in FL)

 

[Kevin Gibson]

TARP was but the stimulus was Obama.
Obama has added on more debt to this country than all previous administrations combined.

If I was to act as my feelings dictated, I would crawl under my bed and pull it in after me this election. The whole subject of politics has turned from a subject that I found vibrant, entertaining and lively into a depressing grindstone around my neck.
But I still have a sense of civic duty and that is the only real reason I see for going to the voting booth and casting my vote. I strongly suspect, however, that I will not be watching any TV shows covering the election --which means NO TV at all, that I will be spending that day either watching DVDs or reading or busy outside the house while avoiding radio news.
I guess the next morning I'll have to face reality and with great trepidation & fear, turn on a radio or TV and grin and bear it as I wait for a newsreader to announce the winner.
The one thing that Obama HAS succeeded in doing is to get me much more into prepping than I was before. Still not really there but I am working toward it.

The DETAILS of the bill were written by congressional staffers from both parties, but mostly the Democrats. But the concept and the dollar amount that it was to be was conceived and directed by Bernanke and Paulson. If you think for one minute that Mc Cain would have done anything different had he been elected, your fooling yourself. Mc Cain suspended his campaign so he could take an active part in the creation of TARP and the concept behind Stimulus (which in CONCEPT is sound, just not so much as executed); Mc Cain was 110% on board.

 

[Kevin Gibson]

Geoff
Who wants more Alaskans working, not killing themselves. (Yes, I'm still in FL)

You know, there's two ways of looking at that. Now understand I work in the oil industry, I buy fuel for one of the largest private consumers of fuel in the world (actually, I think it's THE largest). If we tapped every known US oil reserve and milked it for all it was worth, we could change our import position by 9%, which takes us down to around 44% of our oil being imported. We will NEVER drill our way to oil independence. I personally like the idea of keeping a little in reserve for a truly rainy day and use up all that the ME will sell us.

With that said, right now between Bush's 2005 & 2007 Energy Policy Act (best damn thing Bush ever did), along with investment that actually came from stimulus (believe it or not, some of that money made it to infrastructure investment), the US is on its way to energy independence by making use of alternative energy sources alongside traditional sources; and if we continue the path, we could achieve energy independence in as little as 7 years. Major truck engine manufacturers are pouring huge dollars into LNG & CNG engine technology and those trucks are on the street now. The US investment has been in the form of building a retail station infrastructure (the biggest barrier) so trucks can refuel on the road. And we have some of the largest natural gas resources in the world (I believe the 2nd largest in the world).

 

[TommyGunn]

The DETAILS of the bill were written by congressional staffers from both parties, but mostly the Democrats. But the concept and the dollar amount that it was to be was conceived and directed by Bernanke and Paulson. If you think for one minute that Mc Cain would have done anything different had he been elected, your fooling yourself. Mc Cain suspended his campaign so he could take an active part in the creation of TARP and the concept behind Stimulus (which in CONCEPT is sound, just not so much as executed); Mc Cain was 110% on board.

McCain was an slubbergullion and a mumpsimus. Hardly deeply representative of the conservative ethic. In fact to be fair and open very few repubs are, anymore.
I am opting for a slow death by Romney, rather than a fast death by Obama.
And with due respect I think I'm out of this thread.

 

[Kevin Gibson]

McCain was an slubbergullion and a mumpsimus. Hardly deeply representative of the conservative ethic. In fact to be fair and open very few repubs are, anymore.
I am opting for a slow death by Romney, rather than a fast death by Obama.
And with due respect I think I'm out of this thread.

Yep, McCain was a horrible candidate. I just see the pitch different, you see it as a strike, and I see it as a ball. Where it REALLY counts, I just don't see a difference between the two parties anymore, so I'm done with them (at the presidential level, there's still SOME hope at the congress and certainly at the local level).

When this country that is circling the drain right now goes flush, I want to be able to tell my kids (notice I didn't say grand-kids) that I was trying to be part of the solution rather than continuing to feed the problem. It's the definition of insanity. The populace of this nation continues to elect these two bought and paid for parties, expecting some magical different result. But where it counts, nothing ever changes. All the things the two sides bitch about are Red Herrings to keep your eye off the REAL ball. To make sure the serfs never notice the crony capitalism that's going on that's 100% supported by BOTH parties. We will be judged by our children and it won't be pretty.

 

[stand watie]

to ALL,

IF you really want to be part of the solution rather than part of the proble, JOIN & GET INVOLVED in your local chapter of THE TEA PARTY & help our reformers CLEAN OUT all the leftists/wierdos/crooks/kooks/haters from every level of our government.
(right now, we are targeting the trash in the DIMocRATS party, as they are the worst of the two major parties BUT once we clean them out of every level of government, we will start cleaning out the GOP crooks, too.)

NOTE: despite the KNOWING LIES of "the main-SLIME media", our membership are as likely to be Libertarians, Independents or Democrats, as we are to be GOP members.= BOTH parties FEAR us for our MILLIONS of votes, our commitment to HONESTY in government & BOTH PARTIES have tried "to buy us off" with $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ & "a seat at the table". = as one of the first TEA PARTIERS, i was IN the meetings where BOTH parties tried to BUY US.
(they were stunned that we would NOT take their MONEY or EMPTY PROMISES of support!)
(we don't want a "seat at the table"; instead we want THE HOUSE & THE SENATE!)

TRUTH is we cannot afford 4 more years of BHO, regardless of what Romney is.
(i will openly tell you that we TP folk do NOT trust Romney BUT he IS "the lesser of 2 evils" this go-round. - i urge you NOT to stay home OR vote for a 3rd party on 11/06/12. - our LIBERTY depends of REMOVING BHO.)

just my PERSONAL opinion. - as a "coordinator" of our county's TP, i DO NOT & CANNOT speak officially for the group, absent a popular vote of our membership.= coordinators are "messengers" & "selected spokespersons for" our groups & NOTHING more than that.
(MOST TP chapter members are too distrustful of "authority" to have officers. - we do almost everything by consensus or popular vote. it's DEADLY SLOW but it works for us.)

respectfully submitted, sw
coordinator, BCTPP

 

[Snake45]

We don't need a third party. We need to purge the liberals and progressives out of the Republican party and take it back. Let the libs follow the example of former PA senator Anal Sphincter and scamper back to the Dimocrap party, where they belong.

Ted Cruz in Texas yesterday showed us what has to be done, and how to do it. And here's some words you won't have to hear again for too much longer: "Senator Dick Lugar." Good.

 

[WaltGraham]

We don't need a third party. We need to purge the liberals and progressives out of the Republican party and take it back. Let the libs follow the example of former PA senator Anal Sphincter and scamper back to the Dimocrap party, where they belong.

Ted Cruz in Texas yesterday showed us what has to be done, and how to do it. And here's some words you won't have to hear again for too much longer: "Senator Dick Lugar." Good.

This ^

 

[IrishCop]

Agreed, Snake. Make sure the Republican Party knows that if they fail to address the problems of this country, and do not take clear and concise action remedy those problems, that they WILL BE REPLACED!! Losing their power and their perks are the only things that will get their attention.

I am NOT ready to give up on this country. I don't want a dictatorship, no matter what the flavor; I don't want a theocracy, no matter what the religion; I want this country to be full of the pride and promise that it has been for the last 236 years.

I don't mind a helping hand be extended to those in need; I don't want it to become a way of life for generations. I want our schools to educate, not indoctrinate; I want this to be a country of opportunity, not one of entitlement; I want our rights to be accepted as bestowed by our creator, not allowed by the government.

Maybe not in my lifetime, but we have to start somewhere.

 

[stand watie]

IrishCop,

WELL SAID.

yours, satx