[MikeB]

I need some help identifying a gun I saw in the movie 'Torque' starring Ice Cube and Martin Henderson.

The gun belongs to Ice Cube's character in the movie. After an amazing motorcycle chase scene involving a train, Martin Henderson's character gets the gun from Ice Cube.
The gun is silver with back grips. I's sorry but I was unable to obtain any pictures of the gun.

A really good scene to see the gun is when Ice Cube and Martin are fighting on a street/highway after Ice Cube chases Martin on a motorcycle about hour into the movie. Martin points the gun at Ice Cube and the camera gets a very look at the gun.

Please help me identify the gun.

 

[Dean Speir]

I need some help identifying a gun I saw in the movie 'Torque' ….

Haven't seen the movie, but I've examined the available studio stills and they're all about motorcycles and Ice Cube sneering.

Then I watched the trailer for a glimpse of the ordnance you're looking to identify, and two things come to mind:

1. I think I caught sight of a Desert Eagle…[/*:1gbtqqeh]
   
2. It's obviously a PG-13 "badboyz" fantasy for a certain audience segment and little in it is realistic. I mean, honest to Peter G. Kokalis, WTF cares? [/*:1gbtqqeh]

 

[Mad Ogre]

Unfortunately I wasted enough time to watch it up to the point where Ice's gun is pulled out.
It is a Baby Eagle with a brushed stainless finish.
It is a good looking gun... nice shooter... feels great in the hand. I love them.

The movie isn't even good enough to call a bad boys rip off.

 

[MikeB]

Here are some pictures I was able to get from the trailer.

 

[Dean Speir]

 

There ya go! George seems to have nailed it….

Sometime, I gotta learn how to do that!

 

 

[Mad Ogre]

ID movie guns or capture stills?


:lol:

Sorry...

 

[Tim Burke]

Touchè! :bolt:

 

[mikegunner]

Well, I hate to say close but not quite 100% right-- it appears from the still to be an Uzi America version of the Baby Eagle (I don't recall, but I don't think they called it the Baby Eagle) Magnum Rearch of Minnesota dubbed them the "baby Eagle" to carry on their linage naming (Desert Eagle, Mountain Eagle...) The gun was called the "Jericho" when it originated. Uzi America was an Import venture of O.F Mossburg. What makes me say this is that the still shows large lettering on the front of the slide which was different from the Magnum Research imported models. The Uzi America deal did not last long and the gun is once again being imported as "the baby eagle"

Mike

 

[Mad Ogre]

Ford Taurus or Mercury Sable... it's the same gun.
The Jericho was actually imported as the Jericho 941. A gun that could go from a 9MM or a .41AE with a barrel swap.

Too bad the .41AE was ahead of it's time, because it was better than the .40S&W.

 

[Daniel Watters]

Well, I hate to say close but not quite 100% right-- it appears from the still to be an Uzi America version of the Baby Eagle (I don't recall, but I don't think they called it the Baby Eagle)

I vaguely remember that they were calling them the Uzi Eagle.

 

[Dean Speir]

Whooooooooooooooa, Nellie!

The Jericho was actually imported as the Jericho 941. A gun that could go from a 9MM or a .41AE with a barrel swap.

Too bad the .41AE was ahead of it's time, because it was better than the .40S&W.

1. The "Jericho 941" was in actuality manufactured stateside at an outfit named "Jericho Jerico Precision," and re-imported by KBI, the same company which later marketed the West Virginia-made "Baby Brownings" and today's "Charles Daly" branded firearms. (And "Jericho Jerico Precision" is today better known as… all together now, class…?)[/*:26l11m9w]
   
2. It also required a magazine swap in addition to the barrel. And for the originally-announced .41 AE 170-grain 1130 fps JHP, I think there was a beefier recoil spring planned.[/*:26l11m9w]
   
3. "A head of its time?!?" If the gun and the ammunition had gotten here at the same time, and within a reasonable period after it had been announced (Evan Whilden had come up with the cartridge back in '86!), it might've gained a little better foothold, but do you for a second think that KBI and Action Ammo, who had finally gotten things reasonably coordinated at the Dallas SHOT in '89, could have withstood the S&W/Olin juggernaut launched at SHOT '90?!?[/*:26l11m9w]
   
4. Whilden was a v-e-r-y bright guy who went to work for Colt's after he left the Stern family's Action Arms/Action Ammo business, but I don't think he could have pulled this one off even under Colt's aegis. (I believe… CeePee, check me on this… he'd gotten the rebated cartridge rim concept from the original ".40 S&W" experiments conducted by a couple of S&W engineers named Dick Baker and Jim[?] Spencer, who'd abandoned the project in the early '80s.)[/*:26l11m9w]
   
5. I'm not sure of the basis of your assessment that the .41 AE was superior to the .40 S&W… other than in respect to operating at lower chamber pressures.[/*:26l11m9w]

 

[SpecialEd]

Re: Whooooooooooooooa, Nellie!

The "Jericho 941" was in actuality manufactured stateside at an outfit named "Jericho Precision," and re-imported by KBI, the same company which later marketed the West Virginia-made "Baby Brownings" and today's "Charles Daly" branded firearms. (And "Jericho Precision" is today better known as… all together now, class…?)[/*]

From the last time you discussed this it was Kimber right? So what's the connection between IMI Israel and Jericho Precision? I have read that the gun was developed by IMI (does that mean IMI developed it, Jericho Precision built it and shipped them to Israel then K.B.I. reimported them back to the U.S.?

Sure gets confusing doesn't it?

Ed

From Modern Firearms sight: "IMI widely exports these handguns. In the USA, they are marketed under the names of "Baby eagle", "Uzi Eagle" or even "Baby Desert Eagle". They also used in Israeli Defence Forces and by Israeli Police."

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg44-e.htm

Thanks,

Ed

 

[Mad Ogre]

Lower pressures, easier to shoot, and if I remember it right, it was more accurate than the .40. But I've not shot the .41 in some time of course.
Or maybe it was that the Jericho was a more accurate gun? Hard to say.
And yes, I do think they could have pulled it off. Had the FBI and other law enforcement agencies got a better sniff on it... then yes. They could have.

The Jericho was a great gun... and so are the little Eagles that followed it.
The brushed stainless one... You know, I like them so much I might have to keep an eye out for one that comes up for a trade.

 

[mikegunner]

I had to get into the vault today to put away some firearms that I had just received on Friday and I looked around to confirm what I had posted. In fact, the Uzi America guns were called the UZI EAGLE (good memory Dan'l). The one thing that set them apart from the earlier IMI/Magnum Research "Baby Eagle" was that EVERY UZI EAGLE model came with night sights installed. I collect guns either from Israel or Israeli connection and I have a Jerico 941 in a large case that included one frame and two slides (one in 9mm and the other in 41Action Express. I also have the Magnum Research version of the Jerico and of course the UZI version. The one Isreali gun I want and never bought was a Galil. When I first started getting serious about collecting, they were around $500 and then after the SHTF with all the import bans and then Klinton == they have gone far beyond what I would in clear conscious pay for one.

Mike

 

[harvey]

Mike:

I've got a blued Baby Eagle in .40, which is a fine shooter. The only problem I've had with it was with the original 10-rd Magnum Research magazines -- they only would hold 9 rounds. But MR was very good about replacing them with actual 10-rd magazines at no charge. Kudos to them for fessing up to a problem and resolving it. I believe I paid about $300 for it NIB, which I consider a bargain.

I also had the politically correct, Klintonesque Galil Hadar II rifle. A very accurate rifle, but way too heavy with that ridiculous thumbhole tree they called a stock.

Harvey

 

[harvey]

Mike:

I've got a blued Baby Eagle in .40, which is a fine shooter. The only problem I've had with it was with the original 10-rd Magnum Research magazines -- they only would hold 9 rounds. But MR was very good about replacing them with actual 10-rd magazines at no charge. Kudos to them for fessing up to a problem and resolving it. I believe I paid about $300 for it NIB, which I consider a bargain.

I also had the politically correct, Klintonesque Galil Hadar II rifle. A very accurate rifle, but way too heavy with that ridiculous thumbhole tree they called a stock.

Harvey

 

[mikegunner]

Mike:

I've got a blued Baby Eagle in .40, which is a fine shooter. The only problem I've had with it was with the original 10-rd Magnum Research magazines -- they only would hold 9 rounds. But MR was very good about replacing them with actual 10-rd magazines at no charge. Kudos to them for fessing up to a problem and resolving it. I believe I paid about $300 for it NIB, which I consider a bargain.

I also had the politically correct, Klintonesque Galil Hadar II rifle. A very accurate rifle, but way too heavy with that ridiculous thumbhole tree they called a stock.

Harvey

I always found Magnum Research to be a very reputable company that stands behind it's products.

Just off the top of my head, my israeli gun collection includes a couple of Kareen HP knockoffs, a couple of BUL pistols, about 3 Uzi Model B's, 1 Uzi model A, 1 Uzi Pistol (9mm/.45acp). 1 Uzi Micro class III with a suppressor, 5 Desert Eagles (2-50AE, 2-44's and 1-a .357), Baby Eagles, Uzi Eagles and some others.

Mike

 

[SpecialEd]

Mike, do you know if those Kareens are MKII's? And do you know enough about HP's to tell if they are made any stronger than an FN/Browning HP?

I would love to see one up close. There has been speculation that the original Kareens were F.E.G. parts assembled in Israel. Some claim the MKII's were made completely in Israel but I have no proof of either claim.

Ed

P.S. I have a neat sales video for the Kareen MKII that I d/l off the net a while back. Came out in the early 90's I think when they were imported by a company in Texas.

 

[mikegunner]

I would have to look at em in the vault -- I seem to remember they have night sights ---- If'n ya want to look at one, I can try to bring one to GunStock. I have been starting to think about what I am going to load up and bring. Fernando, is NC a class III state?? And what does the range think about blasting off 9mm shells at 1400 rounds per minute??? I think I have about 50 or more 30 round Uzi mags loaded up and in a box. That would take a little more than a minute of firing time. (not including reloading time).

 

[Fernando Coelho]

While I don't think Frank Glover would mind, let me find out if in fact NC is Class III or not.