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I am completely new to the survival/preparedness "arena". :eek: I am interested in getting myself set-up for a "bug-out" type senario....

What do I need and how much? I would only be interested in buying quality/durable stuff...

I own an M14, and a .45 pistol

thanks guys....
 

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For survival type info, a good place to look at is Equipped to Survive at http://www.equipped.org

It's more geared towards disaster/wilderness/emergency survival than combat/firearms/bobs, but it has lots of good info and gear reviews. He's got a picture of an M1a in the urban survival section, so that made me happy. :D
 

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You've taken three good steps already from what I see.
1. You've opened your eyes to the storm clouds around you and have decided to do something about it.
2. You've bought two of the best all round weapons you could have gotten.
Keep the M1A and the 1911. They'll both serve you well no matter where you find yourself.
3. You've come to the right place and befriended some of the best folks to help you out and have started asking questions.
Your well on your way my friend. You listen to the guys here....
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1911

I am not sure if the 1911 that I own is the best choice or not...I opted for the SA parkerized ultra compact .45 high capacity frame (I can stuff 14 fatties in there)

Maybe I should have bought the standard mil spec .45 instead?
 

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Personally I opted for the Springfield Armory 1911A1 TRP Stainless.
Got a great deal on it from a very good friend. Don't know much about the compacts. My personal prefrence is the full size. Might back it up some time with a Commander model but I feel pretty well served with what I have. My primary right now is an L1A1 (FN/FAL)
Bug out gear consists of a complete set of Arktis webbing and Danis Army issue bergen. Everything in Danish camouflage. My short list right now includes a Wiggy's sleeping bag system and Kifaru Para hooch with small stove.
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gear

Bug out gear consists of a complete set of Arktis webbing and Danis Army issue bergen. Everything in Danish camouflage. My short list right now includes a Wiggy's sleeping bag system and Kifaru Para hooch with small stove
Wow....I am new...I don't have a clue as to what that stuff is....

That's why I need the help, I am hoping for a short learning curve and save money by getting the quality essentials the first time around...

Ok...My list includes:
M14 rifle
1911 pistol

I need:
LBV, but which one?
zippo lighters
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I live at the end of a long driveway and worry most about fire and earthquakes. The unwashed masses would really be going out of their way if they ended up in my neighborhood. My bug-out kit mainly consists of a full tank o' gas, $200 cash in my pocket and a pair of shoes I can walk home in (cause I'm at work almost half the time).

At home, I've got a large rubbermaid tub that has stuff like:
pants, jacket shoes (if I'm at home, there's a good chance I'm in bed)
stove
can o' beans
a bandolier of M2 ball and a couple boxes of .22LR
An axe, a saw and a crowbar (for getting the rest of my stuff when the house falls over).

Travelling large distances by foot or by vehicle doesn't really factor into my plan. I got a full pantry, 2 large water tanks and I'm armed to the teeth (no reason to leave)!
 

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My gear for the most part is for me to get where I need to be, hunt, protect whats mine etc. I have no problems bugging out with the Domestic 06 as she's pretty handy in the woods herself. Problem is that we have two seven year olds and an eight year old. Bugging out is an extreme option for us. I plan to stay put if at all possible.
Now as for getting you set up with some basic gear. You should listen to the advice you get from these guys and don't make the mistakes they've already made. Whatever you do. Keep the weapons you have. If you want to swap out the compact for a full size 1911A1 I'd support that. Keep the M1A and get them both set up with mags , ammo, and spares. You can find just about everything you need to get a basic kit together right here.
I know the for sale forum is a bit of a touchy subject right now but I'm guessing that just off of this thread you can get in touch with some members who have gear they wouldn't mind selling or trading off to you.
Post your contact info if it isn't already and I'd imagine more than a few guys will be in touch trying to help you out.
What say fellas, lets get in touch with a brother in need. I know everyone has some sort of gear they can sell/trade to him at a good price to get him started.
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Here's some links that should keep you busy and broke for the next year or two getting it right.

Note, this list is in no way intened too wok for every one.......Your area may require more of something listed and maybe none of some items.

Use it just as a guide and built your kit from there.

http://www.awrm.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php? ... 5;t=000243

http://www.awrm.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php? ... 5;t=000244

http://www.awrm.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php? ... 5;t=000246

http://www.awrm.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php? ... 5;t=000250

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Gitch U:
Sorry I did not put any time into my first reply. I was running out.
Anyway, it is hard to give suggestions. We don't really know your bug out demands. If you are going to portray an over whelming show of force as you escort your family. Then you want to outfit like robo warrior.
The old US 1956 web gear feels more comfortable then say the VN - 1980's stuff. It can still be found at bargain prices. The new Load bearing vests are very comfortable. I just personally don't like them. I spent a lot of time crawling in my youth. All I want between me and God's green earth is a shirt. With one exception. The old style leather US shoulder holster is a must have. You can adjust it to fit over your pectorals. Your .45 goes on first, and is last off if you are on the run and have to start dumping your ruck.
I have also found that used old beat up G.I. gear will out last 90% of commercial packs and kit. Alice and the new high tech stuff is great. But designed with the idea that the wearer will have some sort of body armor on. So comfort has to be figured against the low cost. Top end stuff is just that "Top End". The price is set because it has high demand, best materials, and is proven to work.
If your bug out plans include keeping a lower profile. You may for example be in constant contact with sheeple. One of those Aussie outback coats can hide any weapon. Sling the M1A butt end up real high. Plus a good "real" outback. Is oilskin and rain proof. Heavy, but well worth looking at. Work your snaps so they are loose and don't use the zipper. A real oilskin is a once in a lifetime investment. Not to mention you can wear it anytime.
IMHO your short .45 is a good choice. (If, they got the geometry correct, the way they did with the Government model). Shoot the snot out of it. It should get better and better the more you use it.
For rations I gave up on MRE's. I had one spoil inside my pack. That was ugly. I now use Jewish Matzo crackers. Found in the ethnic section of big grocery stores. They come with tight sealed packaging. High carbo calories, poor taste but what the heck. They only cost a few bucks and will last forever. Even in a hot car trunk.
Hope this helps you out. SB
 

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Discussion Starter · #13 ·
thanks

wow.....thanks guys...

that is a lot of info....I will definitely be disecting it all and trying to apply it to my personal needs...

Broadsword...thanks for the help!

Karsten...great links! tire iron surely seems to now his sh*t!

SniperBait...thanks for the aussie overcoat idea! also, thanks for the affirmation on the ultra compact....

any other info and ideas are truly welcome! I am a sponge! pour it on!!

Gitch-U
 

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knife

Tire Iron suggests a Big F*cking Knife...he also has fishing line and other small items on his "first line" list....

Seems to me that there used to be a knife or two on the market with a hollowed out handle that alot of these things could fit into...Is there a good quality BFK out there that would make a survivalist/patriot/soldier happy? (not a cheapo pakistan or chinese piece of sh*t)

ooops scrap that idea...I just read a good articles on this very topic...hollow handles sacrifice the overall strength of the knife.
 

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As far as knives go. I carry a Benchmade titanium folder for every day use as well as for the field. In the field I compliment it with a Swiss Army knife and a British Golok machette (Tree Beater) I feel like I've always got my bases covered with these.
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that knife was not a full tang- it used a blade screw/bolt combination to make the hollow handle- it was called a life-knife and sometimes the blade and the handle would part company- there were at least 2 versions- one was like a buckmaster and the other was a pure short survival knife- i know buck makes a good knife, but i don't know whether the buckmaster has the hollow handle or not- either way , the rest of the kit comes in a medicine tube with fishhooks, razor blade, bandages, all of 2 matches, a compass( it's in the top of the nadle and travels round and round and never finds north) , a cable saw, harpoon and a bunch of other stuff i can't remember- i keep one in my canoe for emergency use only- you're far better off getting a good quality fixed blade and making up a kit to go with
 

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???

you know you can fit the 56 h-harness to the all- nylon stuff?- the holes are the same size
I don't understand....
 
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Rather than a hollow handled knife get a few Altoids tins for small emergency stuff like fishing line, hooks, razor blades, fire starter, signal mirror, water tabs and what not.

Get a good full tang knife that isn't going to break in half.

Karsten
 
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