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The 100 mile Progressive-Left strip on the coast might love to shed the "deplorables" in the rest of the state, until they figure out where a lot of the tax money and water comes from.
 

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A new state can't be formed out of territory that's already in a state without that state's permission. And the California state legislature is unlikely to approve the addition of two new conservative Senators and a host of new conservative congressmen to the United States government.
 

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It's funny to listen to Lefties on the coast talk about the nuts in the eastern part of the state wanting to succeed from the state, when it's been the same loony-Left who for some years have been talking about succeeding from the United States.
 

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There has been talk of partitioning CA for as long as I can remember. It started over water rights, so at first it was dividing north & south. Then it got political and went east & west with the divide at the Sacramento & San Juaquin rivers. Now it's even more political, and targeting the specific left wing counties.

It will never happen...just more bluster about the same old stuff.

As a true independent, I don't care for either party. But I do feel for those on the Right in CA who have spent a lifetime voting and never having a single vote go their way. At some point, that gets old.
 

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There has been talk of partitioning CA for as long as I can remember. It started over water rights, so at first it was dividing north & south. Then it got political and went east & west with the divide at the Sacramento & San Juaquin rivers. Now it's even more political, and targeting the specific left wing counties.

It will never happen...just more bluster about the same old stuff.

As a true independent, I don't care for either party. But I do feel for those on the Right in CA who have spent a lifetime voting and never having a single vote go their way. At some point, that gets old.
California stole water at gun point from Arizona back in the 1930s. Mulholland was water commish and he took workers and NG with machine guns across the line and built a pipeline from the Colorado to LA.

Then about 20 years back LA considered going North of Frisco to the Feather River and stealing that water. More recently the feds decided a fish was more important than farms and shutoff the water to farms in central CA.
 

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California stole water at gun point from Arizona back in the 1930s. Mulholland was water commish and he took workers and NG with machine guns across the line and built a pipeline from the Colorado to LA.

Then about 20 years back LA considered going North of Frisco to the Feather River and stealing that water. More recently the feds decided a fish was more important than farms and shutoff the water to farms in central CA.
Yep, that's how it went down.

Regarding the farming thing...there's some legitimacy to picking on the farmers...at least a little.

What makes CA the ideal farming mecca goes well beyond just climate. On a list of the top 20 largest aquifers in the world, something like 6 or 7 are in CA. Farmers have always had access to that water at no charge. But as population increases, and farming increased, now you have to take that policy into question. Especially when you consider the absolutely MASSIVE water needs of farms. I'm not saying cut the farmers off, not at all. But when a commodity becomes rare then you have to address it on an economic scale. The free water has to stop or CA is in BIG trouble. Those aquifers are running out, and they're not being replenished; so when they're out, CA won't be able to support it's massive population, or it's massive farming industry…CA will see the biggest exodus in North American history. I fully expect this to happen in the lifetime of my children, or perhaps grandchildren.

I know no one on this forum even believes climate change is even happening, but CA is certainly feeling it. If you're a climate change denier, I dare you to invest in companies that own ski resorts. The skiing seasons are amost 50% of what they were when I was a kid. My son who is on a ski team, was bragging about Heavenly Valley's 12 foot base, and how nice it is to ski. I told him in my day we didn't even show up unless there was at least an 18 foot base, and normal for my day was 22-24ft.
 

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Yep, that's how it went down.
Maybe, sort of... I think you maybe confusing the Owen's Valley Aqueduct with the Colorado River Aqueduct.

They definitely had well-armed guards patrolling the Owen's Valley Aqueduct to prevent more sabotage (angry farmers dynamiting sections of pipeline) and that was all within the same state but I am not aware of any such violence or coercion regarding the Colorado River Aqueduct(s). It would be a bit much for one state to "take" water from another state at gunpoint. "Armed robbery" in the courts, yes. ;)
 

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Maybe, sort of... I think you maybe confusing the Owen's Valley Aqueduct with the Colorado River Aqueduct.

They definitely had well-armed guards patrolling the Owen's Valley Aqueduct to prevent more sabotage (angry farmers dynamiting sections of pipeline) and that was all within the same state but I am not aware of any such violence or coercion regarding the Colorado River Aqueduct(s). It would be a bit much for one state to "take" water from another state at gunpoint. "Armed robbery" in the courts, yes. ;)
It was all legal of course...Not sure if it was "right". But since the river divides the states, both states have legal right to the water.

Now that said, the whole reason the lower portion of Nevada exists, was to give Nevada SOME water source. So it was kinda "not-cool" when one of the wettest states pulled from the absolute driest state.
 

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To All,

"Duh Pepul's Socialist Repub-lick of Kalifornication" isn't called "The Land of fruits & nuts" without just cause.

yours, sw
 

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Update: Proponents of the entire State of California seceding from the Union are colleting signatures to get the question on the Ballot for November's vote:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-secession-ballot-initiative-organizers-signatures/

All kinds of stuff could happen in the "worst case scenario*" of California residents voting to secede from the United States. Most of those things are not good. Something like the Catalan kerfluffle in Spain would be one of the less hairy possibilities.

Of course, California was a Republic before she joined the United States. Thanks to Fremont.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Republic

Captain John Charles Fremont and the Bear Flag Revolt

* Or, some wags might say, "best case?"
 

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California has way too much military and Hi-Tech infrastructure, they're not going anywhere.
 
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