Okay, which one of you guys is the filthy pig?

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Mad Ogre

Discussion Starter · Aug 19, 2004

I just got Kel-Tec's press sample P3AT and the thing looks like it was dredged up from the bottom of a septic tank.
One of you gun writers didn't bother cleaning it before you sent it back!
Buncha filthy, not lifting the toilet seats, dirty ammo blasting, low lifes....
:wink:

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Dean Speir

· #2 · Aug 19, 2004

Well, I can assure you it t'weren't me!

George said:
I just got Kel-Tec's press sample P3AT

The "press sample?!?"

Not too low-rent, are they!?

Mad Ogre

Discussion Starter · #3 · Aug 20, 2004

I've been packing this little thing around. Carries really nice. So thin and light. But it doesnt exactly inspire confidence and I'd be nervous at the idea of engaging a target that was across the street... but it does carry real nice.

Grump

· #4 · Aug 23, 2004

Aw, you're being quite unfair thinking about across-the-street distances in a town like Vernal! Can't you fit another street or two in those deep front yards, too?

Joe Forte

· #5 · Aug 23, 2004

I was once tolld that a Beretta 25ACP was "A cute little toy, but what good is it." I told the fella to go stand across the street and I'de show him. Now all of a sudden I'm a [email protected]&ing nut. What was I, Out of my mind. Now the cute little toy was a deadly weapon. Go figure.

Mad Ogre

Discussion Starter · #6 · Aug 23, 2004

Guns like these are belly guns in my opinion and little more.
They are good for very close in fighting when all your other options tun out.
A .25 ACP... I literally had one bounce off a frisbee and hit me in the chest. I'm not kidding. Frisbee leaned up against the bottom of a tree, about 10 feet away. Fired one shot... and *boink* the slug bounced, making hardly a dent, and hit me in the chest.
I'm not about to carry another one.
The gun was an Astra Cub. Cute little thing. But I don't consider it to be a serious self defense weapon even in the roll of hide out gun. I'd rather pack a .22 Mag NAA Mini, and that's what I did with my Cub.

Joe Forte

· #7 · Aug 23, 2004

Mad Ogre, You are correct about not being a serious self defense weapon. I do think they have a use though. I would recommend the 22LR or 22 mag over the 25 ACP. I have had pretty good luck with Hornady hollow points in 25 ACP. Fired into different media they worked pretty good. Hey, when the SHTF it's a welcome alternative when nothing else is handy. I carry a 45 mostly and on occasion a 9 minimum.

Shawn Dodson

· #8 · Aug 24, 2004

Mouse guns.

I refer to them as shoot & scoot guns.

Shoot to create an opportunity for immediate escape.

Slugging it out, toe-to-toe, on a two-way shooting range ain't their best application.

Better than having no gun at all.

Sometimes ya gotta carry what ya don't wanna carry.

Mad Ogre

Discussion Starter · #9 · Aug 25, 2004

I think of them more as Visine Drops... for cleaning contact lenses.

Puts the red in.

Azrael

· #10 · Aug 29, 2004

FIRST POST!!...and yup..its about a KT :lol:

Good little weapons...mine has been 100% reliable and I can keep all of the shots in the "happy place" of a target at 10ft...Works for me :lol:

Fernando Coelho

· #11 · Aug 29, 2004

Welcome to the forum, Azrael. Glad you could join us.

Jamie C.

· #12 · Aug 29, 2004

Shawn Dodson said:
Mouse guns.

I refer to them as shoot & scoot guns.

Shoot to create an opportunity for immediate escape.

Slugging it out, toe-to-toe, on a two-way shooting range ain't their best application.

Better than having no gun at all.

Sometimes ya gotta carry what ya don't wanna carry.

Y'know, Shawn, for anybody not a L.E.O. or a soldier, "Shoot n' Scoot" is probably the best tactic, no matter what pistol they're carrying.

And from my point of view at least, standing toe-to-toe and "slugging it out" with firearms - any firearm- is just a really good way to find one's self dead.

J.C.

Mad Ogre

Discussion Starter · #13 · Aug 29, 2004

"And from my point of view at least, standing toe-to-toe and "slugging it out" with firearms - any firearm- is just a really good way to find one's self dead."

unless you are in your own home, or backed into a corner... then you have no choice to stand your ground.
But that doesn't mean you have to stand in one spot. Move and Shoot.

Jamie C.

· #14 · Aug 30, 2004

Mad Ogre said:
"And from my point of view at least, standing toe-to-toe and "slugging it out" with firearms - any firearm- is just a really good way to find one's self dead."

unless you are in your own home, or backed into a corner... then you have no choice to stand your ground.
But that doesn't mean you have to stand in one spot. Move and Shoot.

Yes sir, Mr. Ogre, you are most correct concerning a home invasion, or being backed into a corner.

BUT.... ( There's always one of those, isn't there? ) anyone breaking into someone else's home should be pretty much walking into a trap. THEY should be the ones at the disadvantage, and dealing with all sorts of unpleasantness. After all, in their own home, a person can use pretty much whatever kind of weapon they like ( within reason ), and make any arrangements they feel needed, without the constraints that are involved with being out in public.

And as for being backed into a corner, well, the person that lets this happen probably wasn't paying enough attention to his surroundings, just as the person that gets caught off guard at home didn't plan well enough before hand.

Yes, I know that Mr. Murphy is alive and well, and that there's always something unforseen that can go wrong. However, I sill feel that for the most part, a person that finds themselves at a disadvantage, whether at home or walking down the street, has probably allowed this to happen, to some degree or the other.

To wrap this up, and get back to the subject of the Kel-Tec, and "mouse guns" in general, I believe that their strongest point, and best advantage, is the element of surprise. In other words, the ability to defend one's self when it is perceived by an attacker that the person is helpless.

But then, the same is true of even a full-sized concealed weapon. It's best used as a "surprise", not brandished about so that the whole world knows it's there.

Anyway, I hope none of this comes across as too sarcastic or preachy... It's certainly not my intent to be either. I just figured this was as good an opportunity as any to let you folks know how the "newbie" views self-defense, and defensive weapons.

And by the way, I've been both a soldier and a sheriff's deputy, so I have at least a little bit of an idea how a gun fight goes. :wink:

Jamie

P.S. It also wasn't me that sent you a dirty gun. :roll:

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mikegunner

· #15 · Aug 30, 2004

Azrael said:
Good little weapons...mine has been 100% reliable and I can keep all of the shots in the "happy place" of a target at 10ft...Works for me :lol:

At Gunstock, I was shooting my Kel Tec 32, and was consistantly clanging the poppers at 40 yards. It did surprise me how accurate I was able to be at that distance with a "belly gun" (and, no the Winchester silver tips did not drop the steel poppers!)

Daniel964

· #16 · Sep 8, 2004

This is a mouse gun.

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