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Just way too busy. 
The traditional post and notch are fine, they just need to be BIGGER. I've read the Bible, the Constitution, and the Kama Sutra, and I can't find where anyone ever declared that "sights may never be any bigger than 1/8" across." Why am I the only one who sees this?
The traditional post and notch are fine, they just need to be BIGGER. I've read the Bible, the Constitution, and the Kama Sutra, and I can't find where anyone ever declared that "sights may never be any bigger than 1/8" across." Why am I the only one who sees this?
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Not the only one, Snake. I feel exactly the same way. The sights on my Kimber are big and blocky and pretty quick to align, but I wouldn't mind a slightly larger rear notch and a correspondingly larger front post.
When I saw the sight in the article, I wondered if a shooter might take a lot longer than may be prudent to try and align them perfectly.
I would like to examine a gun with a set installed just to see how they work (or don't).
Oh, and can anyone tell me just what the rectangular plate on the rear of the pictured Glock's slide is? I've never seen one of those.
When I saw the sight in the article, I wondered if a shooter might take a lot longer than may be prudent to try and align them perfectly.
I would like to examine a gun with a set installed just to see how they work (or don't).
Oh, and can anyone tell me just what the rectangular plate on the rear of the pictured Glock's slide is? I've never seen one of those.
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+1.Just way too busy.
The traditional post and notch are fine, they just need to be BIGGER. I've read the Bible, the Constitution, and the Kama Sutra, and I can't find where anyone ever declared that "sights may never be any bigger than 1/8" across." Why am I the only one who sees this?
K.I.S.S. Remember that?
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It does have Marketing Value.
Since it is endorsed by a Sgt Maj and is uber tactical, I predict it will gain some brief traction for those with lots of time on their hands and 20/15 vision.
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Since it is endorsed by a Sgt Maj and is uber tactical, I predict it will gain some brief traction for those with lots of time on their hands and 20/15 vision.
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I agree that it's too busy. I was intrigued by the statement that they did Glocks first because "It's what the operators carry." Funny, I don't recall seeing Glock on the list of US DOD issue weaponry. More like going for the low hanging fruit of a large market.
I recall my reaction when I first got introduced to the BHP MkII sights: these are gonna change as soon as I can find replacments. The reason was the 0.1" front sight and a rear sight with a 0.145" notch. A couple of months later when I had the opportunity, what happened was that a bunch of other auto pistol slides went into the milling machine to get their rear notches widened.
Being able to look through the sight is much better than aligning it and then looking over it.
I recall my reaction when I first got introduced to the BHP MkII sights: these are gonna change as soon as I can find replacments. The reason was the 0.1" front sight and a rear sight with a 0.145" notch. A couple of months later when I had the opportunity, what happened was that a bunch of other auto pistol slides went into the milling machine to get their rear notches widened.
Being able to look through the sight is much better than aligning it and then looking over it.
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My .22 P.38 has sights on it that are .140, not the standard .125, and it doesn't sound like much but I can really notice the difference.
I'd love to try a handgun with sights a full quarter-inch wide and tall, or at least 3/16" wide. Put tritium in there in a bar-dot arrangement and you MIGHT just have the perfect combat setup.
I'd love to try a handgun with sights a full quarter-inch wide and tall, or at least 3/16" wide. Put tritium in there in a bar-dot arrangement and you MIGHT just have the perfect combat setup.
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I have had great luck just opening up the rear sight notch to allow MUCH more light in.
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Yeah, yeah, I get that, but I want a BIGGER front sight, too.
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I don't mean to threadjack, but had a related question I thought might bear piggybacking onto this.
For a home defender requiring corrective optics, we may not have the luxury of time to grab our glasses or fight with contacts while gearing up... what would be the sight of choice there, or at least the needed features of one? (Which ties in as another case where a bigger rear notch and front blade could be really useful.)
For a home defender requiring corrective optics, we may not have the luxury of time to grab our glasses or fight with contacts while gearing up... what would be the sight of choice there, or at least the needed features of one? (Which ties in as another case where a bigger rear notch and front blade could be really useful.)
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Without getting into details, I've been giving this subject a certain amount of thought lately, too.
1. Seems like a perfect situation for a laser.
2. Tritium sights should also work. They might not be sharp for you, but then they wouldn't really need to be. The poor man's version might be to paint your sights with that light-absorbing paint. Keep a small but bright flashlight with the gun, and as you grab it, close your eyes (to avoid blowing your own night vision) and zap the gun with the light for a second or two. Come to think of it, might even be helpful to paint a stripe of that stuff down the top of the gun. Some experimentation seems called for.
3. I'm glad I've spent a certain amount of time over the years working on "point-shooting" skills. This is something else that might maybe could possibly come in quite handy some day.
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...and here's another set of the latest and greatest sights for handguns.
They're not as busy as the sights that started this thread. Not sold on them, but wouldn't mind taking a closer look.
Shoot Better
They're not as busy as the sights that started this thread. Not sold on them, but wouldn't mind taking a closer look.
Shoot Better
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The solution I've heard most frequently from people I trust is not available off the rack. Ashley Express Bigdot on the front, standard Novak on the rear, at the appropriate height, with the opening wallowed out into a big "U" large enough to accommodate the front sight.
Off the rack, one can get the Standard Dot from XS, and mate it up with one of the wide (0.156) window U-notch front sights, like this one from 10-8. I have that on one gun. It's OK.
Having said that, my nightstand 1911 has a flashlight, standard Novak tritiums, and a Crimson Trace laser.
Like Snake, I've gone to wider windows. For game guns, I have not gone to bigger front sight blades, though. Rather than use a big front sight, I've gone to fiber-optic.
I have tried the Bigdot with the Express rear. I didn't think it was precise enough. It was really fast 12 yards and in on open targets, but I'm not sure I need a sight 12 yards and in on open targets.
I am not convinced that all these elaborate sights like the ODS and the 3 diamond sights mentioned in this thread are any faster than a visible front sight in a big window.
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Our Kahr has the Ashley Express.
I wear tri-focals, but I don't sleep with them. Even with my funky vision, the Express sights are quick to align.
So far, we haven't had to depend on batteries. In a few years, that might not be true.
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Our Kahr has the Ashley Express.
I wear tri-focals, but I don't sleep with them. Even with my funky vision, the Express sights are quick to align.
So far, we haven't had to depend on batteries. In a few years, that might not be true.
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Terry stole my words...I was gonna call it "busy" too.
Most of us have trained for years with the typical patridge sight picture or those three lovely green dots and I want to see something familiar when I look through the sights and not have to think about what I'm seeing.
I agree with Tim about a wider rear sight notch. Some are so narrow there is hardly room for light on either side.
Walt's may be the best sight in the whole world but if I was going to try it I'd put it on a "play" gun for a few years first.
Most of us have trained for years with the typical patridge sight picture or those three lovely green dots and I want to see something familiar when I look through the sights and not have to think about what I'm seeing.
I agree with Tim about a wider rear sight notch. Some are so narrow there is hardly room for light on either side.
Walt's may be the best sight in the whole world but if I was going to try it I'd put it on a "play" gun for a few years first.
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While You're Evlauating...
...you may want to take a look at the HexSite Sighting System.
...you may want to take a look at the HexSite Sighting System.
- It allows confirmation of sight alignment with target focus - making it very friendly to those of us with presbyopia.
- It is much friendlier to new shooters, cross-dominant shooters and to those who see two sets of sights.
- Most users find that - as they grow accustomed to it - it gives them a subliminal sight alignment under light conditions where the target can be identified but the front sight is not consciously visible.
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Considering that we're primarily talking home defense, about the only sight you need is the front one. I really don't fancy looking for that peep.
My most recent pistol purchase has a light rail. I use it.
Some time back I discovered that the emphasis on black sights may be misplaced. I have a 3 inch model 36 that I had Armalloyed. It's MUCH easier to see that front sight. Might not be the best answer in the desert at high noon, but for many other situations, works great.
I agree with Snake somewhat, a wider (and chromed ?) front sight may well have it's place for use aged folks. At least until they perfect heat seeking bullets.
My most recent pistol purchase has a light rail. I use it.
Some time back I discovered that the emphasis on black sights may be misplaced. I have a 3 inch model 36 that I had Armalloyed. It's MUCH easier to see that front sight. Might not be the best answer in the desert at high noon, but for many other situations, works great.
I agree with Snake somewhat, a wider (and chromed ?) front sight may well have it's place for use aged folks. At least until they perfect heat seeking bullets.
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Tritium and laser on my nightstand pistola, interior house lighting that can be motion or command activated along the most likely avenues of advance.
I'll be in the dark, the BG won't.
By the time he gets past Fang, if he gets past Fang, I should have had time to prepare a proper welcome.
I'll be in the dark, the BG won't.
By the time he gets past Fang, if he gets past Fang, I should have had time to prepare a proper welcome.
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