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Well the Remington 870 express tactical arrived today. It's model number 81198.

I replaced the mim extractor with a machined one. I also replaced the follower with an S&J delrin type 3 follower in orange. It loads smooth as butter and loads all 6 rounds in the tube consistently without binding.

Tomorrow when it gets here I'll install the limbsaver butt pad.

This one came with the lifetime warranty. Which may not mean anything if Remington goes under lol.

The bluing is the blackest bluing I've ever seen. It almost looks like a deep maganese black parkerizing.

I got it all oiled up and cleaned, sprayed down the outside with eezox and put it in a silicone gun sock.



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Also used my leo credentials and picked up 200 rounds of Hornady tap reduced recoil 00 buck. Apparently it's law enforcement restricted now for some reason.

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I got the police trigger group installed and the Wilson combat jumbo safety installed in it.

I also installed an upgraded black carrier dog spring in the stock polymer trigger group. Having the silver bullet tool makes this a breeze.

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Well I put 50 more rounds of the federal field and target loads through it and it cycled fine. I moved on to some fiocchi low recoil buck and it had 6 stove pipes in 50 rounds. I don't know if it was a lubrication issue or what. I'm probably gonna send it back to Remington at some point.

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You know, I was following the "if you can't say something nice" rule when you said you picked up a Remington, but I wish I'd known you wanted an Express Tactical...I'd have sold you one for a good price.

After trying Mossbergs and Remingtons side-by-side I switched all my home defense shotguns over to Mossbergs, and the Remy's are sitting unused in the back of a closet, waiting to be sold. I first became disappointed with Remington when they made it so difficult to install mag extensions by pounding "dimples" into the ends of their mag tubes, thus limiting capacity. When their quality started to drop, I tried a 590 and never looked back.

I hope you get satisfaction from Remington, but in the throes of bankruptcy they might not be too responsive. The good news is that you haven't got a lot invested...yet. I strongly urge you to pick up a 590 in any of it's various configurations and do a comparison. If you still like the Remington, you won't have any problem selling the Mossy.
 

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You know, I was following the "if you can't say something nice" rule when you said you picked up a Remington, but I wish I'd known you wanted an Express Tactical...I'd have sold you one for a good price.

After trying Mossbergs and Remingtons side-by-side I switched all my home defense shotguns over to Mossbergs, and the Remy's are sitting unused in the back of a closet, waiting to be sold. I first became disappointed with Remington when they made it so difficult to install mag extensions by pounding "dimples" into the ends of their mag tubes, thus limiting capacity. When their quality started to drop, I tried a 590 and never looked back.

I hope you get satisfaction from Remington, but in the throes of bankruptcy they might not be too responsive. The good news is that you haven't got a lot invested...yet. I strongly urge you to pick up a 590 in any of it's various configurations and do a comparison. If you still like the Remington, you won't have any problem selling the Mossy.
I have a 590 a1 18.5" barrel with s&j plus 2 extension. It works great. I also have a 500 with heavy wall 590 a1 barrel and extended magazine tube. It to works flawlessly.

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I'm gonna fire a couple hundred more rounds through it and if it doesn't straighten out I'm sending it back to Remington. Then once I receive it back I'm gonna sell it and get rid of it.

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CaptainGyro,

When were the Remington shotguns, that you don't like, made??

The truth is that I've not, in over 3 decades, ever had trouble with either a Remington or a Mossberg.
(Most of my collection of long guns, whether rifle or shotgun, are Remington products.)

That said, as a southpaw, my favorite shotgun is an Ithaca Model 37 Riotgun.

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CaptainGyro,

When were the Remington shotguns, that you don't like, made??

The truth is that I've not, in over 3 decades, ever had trouble with either a Remington or a Mossberg.
(Most of my collection of long guns, whether rifle or shotgun, are Remington products.)

That said, as a southpaw, my favorite shotgun is an Ithaca Model 37 Riotgun.

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We had trouble with a bunch of old wing master's constantly breaking action bars and expresses constantly breaking extractors. Hence the reason my department went all Mossberg!

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590a1,

The Army's Military Police had a huge number of the 870 & Mossberg shotguns (over my time from 1970-2006) & I cannot remember such problems with either brand.

Could it be that you department had POOR maintainence and/or your officers don't even take minimal care of their equipment??

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To All,

Rethinking the above comments, I find myself wondering what some members are talking about.

When I was "seconded to" the OAS "way down South" in 1991, we advisors qualified THOUSANDS of National Police, Guardia Civil, Military Police, railway & waterway guards & "local hamlet security" personnel with Mossberg, Remington & Winchester pump shotguns of several "vintages" & W/O any major problems of the sort that are mentioned here.
(Some of the "range shotguns" were fired > 100X a day, with various brands of 2.75 & 3 inch 00 buckshot shells, for well over a year W/O any significant problems = The "range guns" probably fire more rounds in a month that most shotguns EVER fire in anyone's lifetime. - NONE of them were "worn out" in range use, though they got "pretty beat up looking" over time)

MOST of our "local hamlet security volunteers" & border guard volunteers were (at best) "semi-literate" civilians, who had in the vast majority of cases NO previous experience in firearms. = Because of the majority's lack of firearms knowledge, we chose S&W Model 64 revolvers, Model 1893 Mauser bolt-action rifles in 7x57mm & pump shotguns to qualify & arm those personnel. = Those firearms were chosen because of their availability, modest cost, simplicity & ruggedness.
(In 99% of cases, the volunteer personnel were found to be "acceptably competent with" their issued rifle or shotgun after 2 days of range familiarization/qualification, by our "NCO instructor teams".).
Note: The S&W .38SPL revolvers/holsters were only issued to the local "supervisors".

ADDENDA: The most common reason that we had to replace firearms was their LOSS in the commonplace "running gunfights in the jungle" with Los Narcotrafficantes, terrorist groups & the "border bandits".

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I find it a bit ironic that Remington originated the feeding system found on the Mossberg. When the Marines tested the 870 against the Mossberg, the Mossberg destroyed the 870 in reliability tests. And the famous 870 short stroke issue is still an issue unless you address it with after market modifications.

Me, I'm an Ithaca 37 kind of guy...but those are getting hard to find and quite pricey when you do find them. I don't have my 37 anymore. My around the house shotgun is a Remington model 11 20ga.
 

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GunGeek,

Just yesterday AM, I attended the Austin Hwy Gun-show here in the Alamo City.

While there, I saw three used Model 37 for sale. = 2 in 12 gauge & one "plain Jane" in 20 gauge. All were 300.oo or less.
(I started to buy the 20 gauge at 260.oo OTD but the vendor doesn't take anything but cash or personal checks & I had neither. = He doesn't have a way to accept check/credit cards.)

Is Ithaca back in business?? = They have been IN/OUT of business so many times in the last 20 years that I'm getting dizzy.
(CHUCKLE)

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