[GunGeek]

So here's what truly makes me weep for this country.

The Mueller investigation.

The actual issue: Russians absolutely meddled with our election. It doesn't matter one iota if they were actually successful, or if they colluded with people in the Trump campaign. The ISSUE is the sanctity and security of our elections.

What R's and D's are doing with this...

Democrats have already convicted Trump regardless of what the evidence is, or how the investigation turns out. There's problem one.

Republicans, are so concerned about protecting Trump that they're trying to get the investigation stopped...and thus, willing to just let the election meddling issue go altogether.

Mention the investigation to any Trump supporter, and they immediately start talking about Hillary. There is NO concern among Republicans that Russians have meddled in the election; their only concern is protecting Trump.

Mention the investigation to any Democrat...Trump is a traitor and should go to jail. They don't give a rat's ass about due process; they just want Trump's hide.

What TRULY CONCERNS ME...Neither party is really interested in addressing the ACTUAL ISSUE, and that issue is FAR bigger than the R's & D's.

Now, IF Trump, or ANYONE who works for him did collude with the Russians (and one of his staff clearly did, and has already been prosecuted); then throw his ass in jail. If Trump played a part and there is sufficient evidence to convict; then throw his ass in jail! If there isn't, then LET IT FREAKING GO!!! It doesn't matter how much you're convinced Trump did it; if the evidence isn't there, then it's all just speculation.

Now on the Democrat side...here's what kills me. There is no question...Hillary STOLE the nomination. She hijacked the Democratic party, made the DNC her personal bank account, STOLE the nomination from Bernie Sanders, and the list goes on. None of these facts are disputed; she freaking did it.

Who is calling for her to be kicked out of the party, along with all who helped her? Crickets...

It doesn't matter if Trump is perhaps "worse"... They have an issue of impropriety in their party and it's being completely ignored. Now technically none of what Hillary did was illegal, but it sure the hell was immoral, unethical, and just downright LOW. But the high and mighty Democrats...They want Trumps head, but they're willing to let Hillary get away with pretty much anything she wants.

There is zero integrity in either party...and it's so bad that I truly believe that most of the members of these two parties are just as corrupt as the people they support and vote for.

Democrats let Hillary go because she was trying to "save the world" from Trump... so while it's distasteful, we'll let it go because we're okay with whatever anyone has do to to keep a Republican out of the Oval Office.

Republicans let Trump off the hook because he was trying to "save the world" from Hillary. So while it's distasteful that he may have been working with Russians* we'll let it slide, because after all; he was trying to beat Hillary, the ultimate evil in the world.

Those attitudes aren't just coming from R & D leadership, they're coming from the rank and file; the voters.

Our political system is completely broken when right and wrong just doesn't matter anymore, but winning does.



*Take a good look at the exact circumstances that got Popodopolous in trouble...are you naive enough to think Trump didn't know what Popodopolous and Trump's son was up to? Really?
Yet Republicans would be more than happy to have the investigation shut down right now, even with all the evidence of Russian involvement... Because they want to protect Trump more than they want to protect the sanctity of our elections.

 

[Skeptic49]

You are making the assumption that there is anything real in the charges of collusion. If there was the investigation would have been completed months ago and not wasting tax dollars in the millions, for a bunch of lawyers and clerks.

The election machines were not hacked, at least that has been found and allegedly experts looked.

Hillary blatantly sold our uranium to a Russian front company, in exchange for money to her husband for "speeches" and "donations" to the Clinton charity front.

Now the evil Russians are charged with making false statements on Facebook. Gee, you'd think they were politicians or something.

Geoff
Who is much more concerned with illegal aliens being given voter registrations in CA and "counting until the Democrat wins" in California and Wisconsin at various times.

 

[csmkersh]

The actual issue: Russians absolutely meddled with our election. It doesn't matter one iota if they were actually successful, or if they colluded with people in the Trump campaign. The ISSUE is the sanctity and security of our elections.

Before you go too far down this road you need to remember this country sent millions of dollars to Israel to interfere in their election trying to defeat Netanyahu.

We've also worked against Putin's re-election.

This is not a defense of either political party. I think, on the national level, they both are un-American organizations interested in money and power, not the country or our citizens.

 

[TommyGunn]

Which one of Trump's staff "clearly colluded" (keeping in mind that colluding is not a crime) with the Russians? IIRC the only convictions have been for "process crimes" --- lying to investigative authorities. If there IS some crime behind that, WHAT IS IT?
Yes the Russians have meddled in our election. They've done it before, and to others, and as csmkersh said, we have also done it to others.
That politicians are professional pigs and love wallowing in the mud of power, deceit and corruption is not news, it's older than the Roman Tacitus, who advised us, "all actual governments are corrupt."
In my estimation we have two choices:
1. Accept that the Russians are still the bad boys on the block, grow up, and fortify our election processes against further intrusions, be they e- mail or cyber attacks.
2. Nuke Russia. And face the consequences.
Your choice?

 

[csmkersh]

I'd rather nuke the Swamp.

 

[bearcat6]

If Hillary had won there would be no investigation. Her pals were so sure she was going to win that they can't believe Trump won it fair and square, he must have cheated it's the only way she could have lost.

 

[Snake45]

If Hillary had won there would be no investigation. Her pals were so sure she was going to win that they can't believe Trump won it fair and square, he must have cheated it's the only way she could have lost.

Exactly so. The whole "Rooshian Coloosion" thing was dreamed up by Hiliary and her people the day after as an excuse for why they didn't win. There was no talk of Russian collusion before election day, as you recall.

Did the Russians try to meddle in our election? Probably. They've also almost certainly "meddled" or tried to in every election for the last 50 years or more. There's not one shred of evidence that they had any effect whatsoever on the outcome.

Have you heard anyone, anywhere, say, "Damn those Rooshians! They TRICKED ME into voting for Trump, when I was going to vote for Hiliary!" Of course you haven't. Because there's no such person.

 

[TommyGunn]

I'd rather nuke the Swamp.

Well, that wasn't exactly one of the choices I was offering, but .....

 

[CaptainGyro]

All throughout the election the press piled on Trump, trying to inflate every indiscretion, fumbled statement, business deal, or contact with a foreigner into a potential crime, while painting him as stupid and unsophisticated. All the while, Hillary got only cursory scrutiny, while being praised on editorial pages as the only qualified, intelligent candidate. Her many brushes with criminality were swept under the rug.

The Russians stepped in to assume the investigative role that the press had abrogated. I have absolutely no problem with that.

 

[Snake45]

BOTH parties are slimy, corrupt, and contemptible. The difference is:

1. The Democrat party is also evil and anti-American.

2. There are a few individual Republicans who are not slimy, corrupt, and contemptible, even though their party as a whole is. I know of NO exceptions on the Democrat side holding national elective office.

 

[stand watie]

Snake45,

AGREED 100%.

yours, sw

 

[GunGeek]

Okay, so lots of party loyalty here.

Personally, I see a LOT of reason for the investigation to continue. I honestly don't think they'll actually get Trump, but I think it needs to run its course.

Popodopolous - Convicted for lying about a meeting where Trump's campaign was allegedly meeting to collude with Russians.

Gates and Manafort - Conviction on multiple charges, all having to do with directly working at the behest of Russia and directly working against US state department policy in Ukraine. I honestly don't get how these two aren't being charged with treason.

Gates attorney - Charged with lying about meetings with the Russians

Flynn - Convicted of lying about meetings with the Russians.


What two things do all of these people have in common. Trump & Russia.

Trump's not guilty by association, but you guys aren't stupid. If I wrote the above about a Democrat you'd be screaming bloody murder.

So I see a LOT that tells me this investigation should proceed forth.

 

[stand watie]

GunGeek,

Keep chanting: "IT'S A WITCH HUNT. IT'S A WITCH HUNT, IT'S A WITCH HUNT". until you understand that Mueller & his herd of leftist DIMocRATS are NOT interested in a REAL investigation.

They are ONLY interested in trying to keep their cushy jobs & slinging mud at the POTUS, regardless of the FACT that they have NOTHING, that there is NOTHING & will find NOTHING that involves unlawful collusion by the POTUS.

This WITCH HUNT is a WASTE of $$$$$$$$$, time effort & is a FRAUD. = It's no more complicated than ,that.

yours, sw

 

[GunGeek]

GunGeek,

Keep chanting: "IT'S A WITCH HUNT. IT'S A WITCH HUNT, IT'S A WITCH HUNT". until you understand that Mueller & his herd of leftist DIMocRATS are NOT interested in a REAL investigation.

They are ONLY interested in trying to keep their cushy jobs & slinging mud at the POTUS, regardless of the FACT that they have NOTHING, that there is NOTHING & will find NOTHING that involves unlawful collusion by the POTUS.

This WITCH HUNT is a WASTE of $$$$$$$$$, time effort & is a FRAUD. = It's no more complicated than ,that.

yours, sw

Are you kidding? Not one has gone to trial...he has people with a LOT of money taking guilty pleas because he has them cold. And you think there's nothing there? Astounding.

 

[Snake45]

Are you kidding? Not one has gone to trial...he has people with a LOT of money taking guilty pleas because he has them cold. And you think there's nothing there? Astounding.

And when is he going to get around to the Klintons' multiple coloooooosions with Rooshia?

 

[TommyGunn]

Are you kidding? Not one has gone to trial...he has people with a LOT of money taking guilty pleas because he has them cold. And you think there's nothing there? Astounding.

Because THEY lied to investigators under oath, or in more recent cases, committed other crimes prior to Trump's 2016 campaign.
I don't get why these dimwits lied under oath (process crimes) .... they must think they're made of teflon, or that Mueller's menagerie can't do investigative work.

I agree the investigation should go on, primarily because it's going to anyway, and if Trump does stop it the political schiess-Sturm will deafen this solar system, say nothing of the media's electronics.

But I haven't seen or heard a thing that convinces me that Trump "colluded," and I believe if there WAS any proof, it would have leaked out and CNN would have gleefully trumpeted it to the workd.

 

[stand watie]

GunGeek,

What Mueller & his witch hunters have has NOTHING to do with unlawful collusion with RUSSIA, so they are desperately seeking SOMETHING/ANYTHING to prosecute ANYBODY fore.

It's a HUGE FRAUD by the LEFTISTS upon the poor taxpayers, just as Ken Starr's turned out to be.

Pardon me for pointing out that you should be smarter than to believe the KNOWING LIES of the DIMocRATS & their allies in the media.

I have seen 2 copies of memos from the witch hunters that indicate that they HAVE to find SOMETHING that implicates the POTUS & will "get him impeached" but have found ZILCH.

yours, sw

 

[GunGeek]

And when is he going to get around to the Klintons' multiple coloooooosions with Rooshia?

That's a separate topic...but I would back that 110%

 

[GunGeek]

Because THEY lied to investigators under oath, or in more recent cases, committed other crimes prior to Trump's 2016 campaign.
I don't get why these dimwits lied under oath (process crimes) .... they must think they're made of teflon, or that Mueller's menagerie can't do investigative work.

I agree the investigation should go on, primarily because it's going to anyway, and if Trump does stop it the political schiess-Sturm will deafen this solar system, say nothing of the media's electronics.

But I haven't seen or heard a thing that convinces me that Trump "colluded," and I believe if there WAS any proof, it would have leaked out and CNN would have gleefully trumpeted it to the workd.

Personally...I'm don't consider myself very gullible.
I fully believe Trump was involved... But I think there's less than a 10% chance they'll ever be able to prove that. And if you can't prove it, then it didn't happen.

 

[GunGeek]

GunGeek,

What Mueller & his witch hunters have has NOTHING to do with unlawful collusion with RUSSIA, so they are desperately seeking SOMETHING/ANYTHING to prosecute ANYBODY fore.

It's a HUGE FRAUD by the LEFTISTS upon the poor taxpayers, just as Ken Starr's turned out to be.

Pardon me for pointing out that you should be smarter than to believe the KNOWING LIES of the DIMocRATS & their allies in the media.

I have seen 2 copies of memos from the witch hunters that indicate that they HAVE to find SOMETHING that implicates the POTUS & will "get him impeached" but have found ZILCH.

yours, sw

Popodopolous.