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Just finished reading the book “The Last Enfield – SA80: The Reluctant Rifle” by R. Blake Stevens. What a tragedy, although not to the same degree that we experienced with the rollout of the M16, but horrible nonetheless.
The whole tragedy stems from the yardstick they used to measure performance, and Enfield just found ways to work within the “system” to push up their numbers to make the rifle look as if it was actually a well performing rifle. By claiming they would include a spare bolt with the rifle (which they never did) they were able to re-classify “critical” failures as non-critical. Then they managed to find themselves being judged ONLY on critical failures which was defined as any failure that cannot be addressed in the field and has to go to the armory. So things like failures to feed, extract, fire, eject. Failures of trigger re-setting, magazines falling out, sights falling apart, safety getting stuck in the ON position and any number of other issues that the rifle had on a regular basis were just written off completely. When you use a REAL measurement of MRBF (Mean Rounds Between Failure) the rifle when issued had a MRBF of around 1 in 28 rounds…meaning, you can expect to have to deal with some issue with EVERY magazine you fire from the weapon.

Just shocking that no one went to jail over that.
 

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Several friends of mine who are officers in two of the Guards regiments have confirmed several times to me that the early growing pains with the SA80 have long been fully ironed out, and the rifle is quite popular with those troops so equipped.
 

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I'm sure the Brits carefully investigated.

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Who notes the end results was BAE owned H&K at the time and took over the program. It's supposed to be reliable now..
It wasn't so much BAE that straightened it out...they first continued the debacle and stonewalled. Once they could stonewall no longer, they farmed it out to H&K who ironed out the issues, and upgraded all the rifles to the A2 configuration.

Yeah, they're reliable now, but they're still a 10lb Bullpup. But a soldier can work with any weapon that's reliable.
 

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Ian McCollum of 'Forgotten Weapons' (search on YouTube) has a good 4-part series on the development of the SA-80/L85. He also has a series on the earlier EM-2 bullpup and its predecessors--which sounds as if it would have worked in the 5.56 chambering.
 

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Pardon for the thread drift (kinda), but I was at my favorite LGS the other day knife shopping, when the manager said he had something he wanted me to see.

It was one of the original Steyr AUG, complete with the Swarovski optic/carrying handle, AR-15 magazine compatible. The scope was still clear as ...well, glass, and was in exceptional condition.

When I asked about price, said they'd probably put it on display for close to $4,000 and settle on $2,000.

I left with a knife, not the rifle. :D
 

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IrishCop,

As long as I can buy a 30YO Mercedes 420SEL for 1750.oo in LOW mileage & GREAT shape, there'll be NO 4000.oo rifles in my life.

My latest find is a 1-owner 420SEL that needs little but the AC fixed & the radio repaired/replaced.

yours, sw
 

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Yessir, Ed and thanks for noticing!:p I have become a Forged in Fire junkie though. It's like watching those cooking competition shows, but with testosterone.

SW, sounds to me like you found one heckuva deal on that Mercedes. Maybe a photo when she's done?
 

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Irish Cop,

WILCO. = Presuming that the 420SEL passes the pre-purchase inspection later this week, it should be "ready for photos" by about 10 days.
(I cannot wait, as this particular BEAST is "just PURTY".)

Fwiw, I talked to the "local Mercedes AC guru" this AM & he "guessed from 50 to a maximum of a 1,000 bucks" to repair/rebuild the AC & 3-5 days to do the job.

Fwiw, I'm "addicted to" the old/hand-built MB W126 saloons from the 1970s-80s. = Imvho, NOBODY builds as nice of a new car in 2017 under 150,000 bucks.


yours, sw
 
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