Shotgun laws in NYC

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ziphem

Discussion Starter · Jul 16, 2004

Hi, I have a few questions about shotgun laws in NYC, and I was hoping someone could give me some insight into the registration process.

I was under the impression that I would not have to give any fingerprints for the shotgun/rifle permit. I couldn't find the fingerprint specification anywhere in the legal code, so I figured, it was not an issue.

I went down to the department out in Kew Gardens, and picked up an application. Lo and behold, the instructions state that I will need to give fingerprints. I called to confirm, and was told what I would have to give all 10 fingers. I am really hesistant about doing this, because I feel that it's an invasion of my privacy.

So, I am wondering if anyone has any suggestions, steps, alternatives? Can I feasibly challenge this without a lawyer? Such as, when I'm doing to application, can I refuse to give the fingerprints? Judging how "friendly" the workers were down there, I can't imagine that would go over well....Anyways, any suggestions or pointers would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!!

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BigMike

· #2 · Jul 17, 2004

NYC Shotgun Info

Try http://www.packing.org

Not exactly about your question, but lots of info, organized by state.

Good luck!

And, be sure to tell us how it goes.

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Dean Speir

· #3 · Jul 17, 2004

ziphem said:
So, I am wondering if anyone has any suggestions, steps, alternatives? Can I feasibly challenge this without a lawyer?

Anyone can do anything… if there's anything the "annual Darwin Awards" have shown us, it is that… but how successful you'll be is another matter entirely.

One here who is infinitely more knowledgeable than the rest in the matter of NYS and NYC firearms law recently made a superior brief on behalf of a Member of our Lodge 1201 and the old Prodigy SS BB who was being beaten up by the NYC licensing authorities. It was perfunctorily denied, unanimously, at the appellate level when, if the bastids had actually read it, should have at the very worst generated some dissenting opinions.

One thing you need to realize, ziphem, is that when it comes to downstate NY (if not the entire state!), in the matter of Firearms Rights of individuals, TPTB don't acknowledge this, and they really don't care.

For some history of that provision in which you are currently enmeshed, see:

Firearms Registration: the Lesson of NYC

It's discouraging.

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ziphem

Discussion Starter · #4 · Jul 22, 2004

Thanks for the responses. My father was actually one of the few civilians that had a carry permit for his pistols. A year before his death, they revoked the permit based on some ridiculous technicalities. He took the case up with a lawyer, but before he was given back his permit, he passed away. It was a bit amusing that 9 months after his death, a letter arrived from the city, addressed to my father, asking him to fill out the necesary paperwork to renew his permit. Makes you have a lot of faith in the government, right?

I'll see what they say at packing.org. Otherwise, I have a place upstate, so I guess I'll be leaving the shotgun there instead of trying to register it in the city if I can't get anything to work out here....

Thanks.

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LIProgun

· #5 · Jul 22, 2004

FYI, the fee for a rifle-shotgun permit in NYC was just raised from $55 to $140.

http://tinyurl.com/52q7o

I feel much safer now. :bigpuke:

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Dean Speir

· #6 · Jul 22, 2004

Well, the New York City Council certainly isn't encouraging new registrations, are they? That's more than some shotguns or rifles even cost!

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Gage1911

· #7 · Jul 23, 2004

Man, I love Florida !

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JRWnTN

· #8 · Jul 23, 2004

ziphem said:
Lo and behold, the instructions state that I will need to give fingerprints. I called to confirm, and was told what I would have to give all 10 fingers.

From the comments, they may want the fingers, not just the prints.

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dinosaur

· #9 · Aug 10, 2004

To show how stupid they were (still?) if you were a city resident you'd drive out to Long Island and buy one just showing your driver's license. They were supposed to be registered but their record keeping was about on a par with, well I did say they were stupid. :lol:

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