[IrishCop]

If you haven't seen the movie Sicario I highly recommend it. It is about our "war on drugs", maybe how we should be fighting it. And the consequences it could have on the people we involve in fighting this like a real war. Weapons free and all available assets used.

It is on Directv pay per view and I believe it is out on DVD and BluRay. It is really one of the best movies I have seen in a while (that didn't involve huge green rage monsters or light sabers.):grin:

 

[CaptainGyro]

Thanks Terry. When I went to my Netflix account I found that I had added it to my queue* at some point, but it was way down the list. Just moved it up to number 3 (behind the remaining two Fargo season 1 dvd's I'm working my way through).

*even after spending quite a bit of time in London over the last few years, the spelling of the word "queue" still strikes me as ridiculous. No word should have "ue" in it more than once.

"Albuquerque"? Don't get me started.

 

[IrishCop]

Thanks Terry. When I went to my Netflix account I found that I had added it to my queue* at some point, but it was way down the list. Just moved it up to number 3 (behind the remaining two Fargo season 1 dvd's I'm working my way through).

*even after spending quite a bit of time in London over the last few years, the spelling of the word "queue" still strikes me as ridiculous. No word should have "ue" in it more than once.

"Albuquerque"? Don't get me started.

Aww damn! I could of saved myself $5.99 if I had realized it was on Netflix! Oh well, my download speed here in the sticks doesn't allow for HD play, so no harm, no foul.

Right with you on the "ue" business. All I know about Albuquerque is Heisenberg, and Bugs shoulda turned left there. :thumbsup:

 

[csmkersh]

there were only two honest LEOs in the film; the woman and her partner. All the rest were either rogue Federales or CIA.

 

[IrishCop]

Absolutely. They were using CIA and Delta to go after the head of the beast. And although the character played by Benecio Del Toro was certainly a soulless monster, he was killing other soulless monsters...and their wives, and their children...

And I don't think rogue is the right word. The FBI director said that these missions were approved by persons "elected to office"...not agency or department heads.

The movie was very well crafted, and one hell of a morality tale. Mexico is OWNED by the cartels, as is a good portion of our southwest border. I don't think their is any denying that. I personally think cutting off the head(s) of the snake is a good idea. How far we go to do that...well that's the question this movie proposes.

 

[csmkersh]

And I don't think rogue is the right word. The FBI director said that these missions were approved by persons "elected to office"...not agency or department heads.

Perhaps our laws need changing. The CIA skirted the ban on operating Stateside by using state LEOs and using them for political cover.

As to Alehandro/Del Toro, yes, he was getting revenge for the murder of his wife and the gang rape of his daughter. He stopped at killing their family in front of them then the cartelistas. Rape was a line he didn't cross.

 

[IrishCop]

Perhaps our laws need changing. The CIA skirted the ban on operating Stateside by using state LEOs and using them for political cover.

As to Alehandro/Del Toro, yes, he was getting revenge for the murder of his wife and the gang rape of his daughter. He stopped at killing their family in front of them then the cartelistas. Rape was a line he didn't cross.

That was certainly the point made in the movie. Whether or not there is any correlation to that in the real world I don't know. This was, after all, a Hollywood script...

...although I give them props on what appeared to be very realistic SWAT and small unit Spec Ops tactics. The movie was very well written and directed, and the acting was superb.

The legal and moral points it raised legit.

"Until we can get 20% of our country to quit sniffing that s*&t up their nose, this is all we can do."

That's a paraphrase of Josh Brolin's CIA character's comment, but it's pretty close.

And more than a little true.

 

[csmkersh]

And they got the noise level of a suppressed pistol not the little pop Hollywood comes up with.

I'm not sure about our war on drugs. Would be better off spending those dollars on mandatory treatment? I don't know.

 

[IrishCop]

And they got the noise level of a suppressed pistol not the little pop Hollywood comes up with.

I'm not sure about our war on drugs. Would be better off spending those dollars on mandatory treatment? I don't know.

Sar' Major, the libertarian in me is right with you. But I know, from personal and professional experience, that mandated treatment rarely works. A person has to want to stop using. They have to "hit bottom" as the Friends of Bill (AA) folks put it. Otherwise it just doesn't take.

I am all for saving prison sentences for those involved in the distribution of narcotics. Simple possession should be maybe a fine and counseling...maybe give them the opportunity to seek treatment.

Hey, I was a teenager during Woodstock and through the early 70's. I sure wasn't an angel. But Coke was bad, Meth is worse, and now heroin is coming back. Even here in North Alabama. IV heroin use is more and more popular. It's scary as hell.