So Our Guberment Sues Again!

Javlin said:

I guess that's how Snowden got his job Kevin no BG checks but really are you trying to say the US Guberment does not do BG cks?Or you trying to say they require those under contract be held to a different standard?Either way it's unfair but it would not surprise me in the least.It's called class structure!

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I don't know what the hiring processes are for the US Government, I guess it depends on the position. What I do know is that a private company can hire whom they want and the US Government cant really say much about it…unless you have entered into a US Government contract; and I have some experience along those lines. Many US Government contracts are not given out unless the supplier abides by US Government hiring guidelines for such things, including Affirmative Action. When a supplier signs a contract with the US Government, they are agreeing to abide by their hiring standards. If said employer has a US Government contract with such language, and they're not in compliance, then the US can bring suit. I don't know the circumstances of this incident, but I'm speculating that this is perhaps what's going on. Otherwise, I can't see a situation where the US Government has cause to bring such a suit. So essentially if my speculation is correct, then these companies actually brought this on themselves by entering into a contract and not holding to the terms of the contract. That's a breach of contract, and it's a big deal.

Javlin said:

Yeah Kevin almost sounds like the warehouse went under a different contractor as the old one was let go.Hence the rescreen but it does appear in part that the gov. is pushing into the process incrementally.Then to base it's case off of race driven numbers bothers me why not as it affects the "Whole Work Force" it is called the "Equal Employment Opportunity Commission" isn't it??

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Perhaps they did, but with great American reporting, to make the article much more inflammatory; they just fail to mention that. I've worked in diversity for my company and we discuss such issues like Affirmative Action. Contrary to what people think, it's NOT a quota system, but one where your workforce should roughly mirror your community. If your community is 35% black and you have only 5% of your workforce black, that will call in some questions. At one company I worked for, the community was like 18% black, yet we only had 1%. We were called on it, and were able to produce job applications…Apparently black people in general (if I dare make a generalization) don't care to work in EMS. The government suggested some recruiting strategies that were actually pretty good, and that was the end of it.

In these cases, the issue may be that they HAVE looked at all categories and the black category stood out (even government employees can recognize patterns). If black people are 3x more likely to be re-screened, then the complaint may have some legitimacy. If the company is able to clearly state that the process is the same for everyone, they're not necessarily off the hook. Even if it's for everyone, but ends up negatively affecting a certain category, then they can run into problems. In this case, it sounds like that may be what's going on. Still, I'm a bit bothered by this case (supposing what is being reported is accurate).

I'm 100% for a workplace that is equal for all. Few things get my dander up quicker than racism (really, most any discrimination that's not based solely on merit). But this one (again, providing the reporting is accurate…notice I say that a lot…it's because all too often the reporting is "accurate" but very misleading) does give the appearance of the government over-stretching. And when that happens you can bet it will always be a very large company that gets dinged. I'll be very interested in seeing how this shakes out.

TommyGunn said:

Sounds like a "quota" system to me ......:duh:oke:

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I don't know what to say...I even provided an example where the company wasn't required to have a quota.

They look at quotas to spot discrimination but they don't require quotas. And when possible discrimination is found, 99% of the time the company is unaware. Once its pointed out, changes are made, and that's that. It's very rare that anything goes to court. Most companies are VERY responsible citizens and want to do the right thing.

Where I live in the South, if it were not for Affirmative Action, black people in my area would be quite unlikely to get jobs. Sucks, but that's the way it is.

On the other hand, I 100% supported it when California dumped Affirmative Action; it clearly wasn't needed in California anymore.

I support Affirmative Action in the places where it's needed, and I support doing away with it when it's not needed anymore. Being originally from California I was rather shocked to learn that the "Old South" really does still exist in some places. For those places, we need Affirmative Action until those people choose to grow the hell up. Once they grow up, then chit-can it when it's no longer needed.

For the most part, Affirmative Action has been a resounding success. But it hasn’t been without it’s issue or controversies to say the least.

Your fathers experiences are very typical (not having qualified applicants for the position). In the ‘70’s that was a real problem, and in some fields it still is. The liberals initially tried to run Affirmative Action like the Gestapo. It took a few large companies to stand up and fight back before things got on an even kilter. Still problems persisted, but as more and more qualified minorities entered the workforce, the problems became less and less.

In much of the North, and certainly on either coast, there is little to no need for Affirmative Action anymore. The anti discrimination laws are well established, and society as a whole has changed dramatically changed regarding minorities in the work force, and in society in general. Of course the ultra left wing would have you believe that everyone white harbors racists feelings and all that sort of nonsense. True, America could do better, but I have to say; we’re FAR better than the supposedly “enlightened” Europeans where racism is concerned. I mean, after 9/11 we not only elect a black president, but one with a Muslim name. Now what are the chances you’ll see a black head of state in Europe, let alone one with a Muslim name?

We do alright here in the US, and I’m proud of how far we’ve come in a single generation. I live in a town that has the largest chapter of the KKK in America; and most anyone I know in this town think those people are idiots. But as recent as 1989 there was a lynching…we’ve come a long way.

But now we’re to the point to where an individual who’s been discriminated against can take his case to an attorney. If true discrimination has happened, attorneys will line up to take the case on contingency, and the offender will get HAMMERED.