[csmkersh]

Originally Posted by Javlin View Post

Yeah I was planning that myself TG bring the thread hard about to issues of today.While only about 30K members nationally I would suspect they have many of the BLM,Colleges and Antifa who view them with some form of admiration and thought DSA Democratic Socialist of America.I like the idea about no economic profit so who decides that Kevin has enough money?Don't tell me it's Bigger Guberment.

The platform:

Article II. Purpose

We are socialists because we reject an economic order based on private profit, alienated labor, gross inequalities of wealth and power, discrimination based on race, sex, sexual orientation, gender expression, disability status, age, religion, and national origin, and brutality and violence in defense of the status quo. We are socialists because we share a vision of a humane social order based on popular control of resources and production, economic planning, equitable distribution, feminism, racial equality and non-oppressive relationships. We are socialists because we are developing a concrete strategy for achieving that vision, for building a majority movement that will make democratic socialism a reality in America. We believe that such a strategy must acknowledge the class structure of American society and that this class structure means that there is a basic conflict of interest between those sectors with enormous economic power and the vast majority of the population.

more here:https://www.dsausa.org/constitution

We are very close to a real civil war IMNSHO. With Congresswoman Mad Max Waters and Pelosi pumping up the rabble we may need to start carrying any time we are out and about.

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/01/6250...far-right-and-antifa-groups-clash-in-portland

 

[TommyGunn]

Warning CSMKERSH!: if you aren't sitting down, you'd better sit down!

Okay?

I agree with you.
I think we're seeing some nasty schisms in our society, the symptoms being antifa, occupy wallstreet, and the rise of socialism in the democrat party that may well lead us to another civil war. I don't think it is inevitable (as of now) but if America doesn't find a way to "dial it back," I fear it is coming.

 

[bearcat6]

I always carry when I am out and about.

 

[csmkersh]

I always carry when I am out and about.

I carry when I'm dressed which means I carry at home. One never knows when or if there will be a home invasion.

TommyGUNN, I really wish this was one subject we didn't agree on. Hope you have a great 4th of July tomorrow.

abrazos, amigo.

 

[stand watie]

csmkersh,

100% SPOT ON.

IF I have trousers on, I'm carrying my 9mm. Otherwise, it's within "reach out & touch" distance

yours, sw

 

[Snake45]

I've been trying all morning to visualize what a "new civil war" would look like.

I can't imagine the Left taking up arms and storming Washington DC. I can imagine the Right doing it, but only if things get a LOT worse than they are now (i.e., not under Trump).

I can imagine numerous small-scale, regional skirmishes, especially in and around certain cities.

I can imagine California seceding or trying to join Mexico. And Oregon and Washington might join them.

I'm really having trouble imagining an all-out, hot, violent "civil war" for control of the US government.

But I could be wrong. It's happened before.

 

[stand watie]

Snake45,

SADLY, I'm afraid that we will see, before I'm dead & gone, numerous minor/major domestic terrorist incidents by the LOONY/HATE-FILLED moron-left.
ImVho, the worst of the MORON LEFT are just as evil/violence prone as the worst of the KKK-idiots are. = Either group of kooks will do ANYTHING, no matter how immoral/dishonorable, to get what they want.


yours,sw

 

[dfariswheel]

A Leftist "Civil War" would/will probably look much like the 1960's "war".....
Riots in big cities and college campus's and random bombings.

If it gets serious enough expect to see bank robberies to finance "The struggle", and random ambushes of police.

The Left always over estimates how many people are behind them and it turns out to only be a few of the loonier hard core.

As example, the hard Left in the 60's were certain they were leading a revolution and using the anti-war, anti-draft crowd as foot soldiers.
Then one day the draft ended, the leader's mounted up on their Red chargers, drew their flaming swords and turned to wave the followers into battle, only to shockingly see that there was no one there. They were alone.
Seems the foot soldiers only cared about the draft, doing some drugs and hooking up with each other.

Once the draft ended the foot soldiers when back to school to get their good life started properly.
The hard core Leftists were shocked and outraged to find they were leading no one, there wasn't going to be any revolution, and that's when the real violence started to get serious.

There may be more True Believers now then then, but again, once it begins to hazard that good high paying job with Apple the "army" fades away leaving the hard core.
Those will follow the 60's pattern...... prison, death by cop, miss-adventure with a bomb, or self-exile in some foreign S**t hole to be forgotten.

If you don't live in a big city, around a large college campus, or near a favorite target of the Left like a Federal building or construction project for something the Left hates, you'll never have a problem.

However, this time around the reverse may not hold. This time there's a lot of P**ed off people who just might get tired of the BS this time and decide to do a little counter-revolting themselves.... against the Left.

 

[stand watie]

dfariswheel,

IF the LEFTIST IDIOTS try something in The Alamo City, they will find that the citizens here are "armed to the teeth". = I'd bet 75% of households have at least one firearm, with shotguns being the most common here.
(Here in our neighborhood, which is adjacent to Ft Sam Houston, 2+ years ago we surveyed every household for possible interest in "community events" & to determine interest in a Neighborhood Watch Group. = All but 4 homes surveyed had at least one firearm & about 1/3 of households had residents who were AD, a member of a Reserve Component and/or were military veterans.)

Further, we Texicans have a LONG tradition of protecting hearth & home from all manner of threats since TX was New Spain.

I do NOT foresee EVER having "pitched battles in the streets" but IF the leftists radicals cause trouble here, it will be returned to them four-fold.

just my OPINION, sw

 

[csmkersh]

dfariswheel:

There are some who are promising a return to the bombings we had in the 1960s with the likes of Obama's buddy, Bill Ayers. I suspect it will be in the North were folks are unarmed and glassy-eyed; just waiting for the judas sheep to lead them to the slaughter.

 

[stand watie]

csmkersh,

VERY likely correct.

yours, sw

 

[dfariswheel]

In the 60's the hard core Left like the Weathermen inhabited Lefty friendly areas.... big Lefty cities like San Francisco, LA, Chicago, New York, and around the big Lefty college campuses where they could blend in with the slightly less-Lefty crowd.

Other than encounters with the police when traveling between those places or during bank robberies and bombings the rest of America had no problems.
These people tend to stand out in Normal America and they have no idea how to even attempt to blend in so they stay well away from most areas.

I'd think the biggest problem will be in the big cities and around big college campuses with "spontaneous" riots and attacks on Normal people.
This of course means areas were guns are prohibited, because having some fly-over country goober blowing you into the Promised Land with his CCW sort of takes the fun out of it.

These people prefer mobs of people on one defenseless person and the wearing of masks plus the use of improvised weapons against the unarmed.
Wearing black they tend to look like roaches in the kitchen when the lights come on, when a Normal draws a gun.

The most the average Normal will see is petty harassment like name calling on the street, some restaurants and bars, and that only in Lefty areas where they're sure no goober might take offense and punch some lights out. And that only if they're enough of them that they can feel safety in numbers.

For most of us, all we'll see is on the news, mostly Fox, because the others will be reluctant to show it.
Even in the worst days of 1920's Germany the average German only read about it in the papers.

The Left is talking a really great game, but there's no way even they are stupid enough to try to shoot with a heavily armed Normal America of former military, hunters, and well practiced gun owners.
Most of the Left are only brave as mobs and back shooters.

 

[Snake45]

Might not hurt to think of things in terms of the Viet Cong in South Vietnam, or the Mau-Maus. Just imaginin', here....

 

[stand watie]

Snake45,

While I would NOT argue at all about comparing the CRIMINAL/LEFTIST CRAZIES of the USA to the CRIMINAL Mau-Maus of 1950s Kenya, I wouldn't necessarily lump the Vietcong in with either group, as Charlie was a dedicated/well-trained/determined guerrilla fighter, who was seeking freedom for his view of VietNam.

Both the Mau-Mau & the lunatics of the USA Radical Left are primarily criminals, with a thin veneer of politics overlaying their lawless behavior. = It appears that the Mau-Mau rebellion & the possible (coming) terrorist acts of the FAR LEFT were/are, in large measure, motivated by a lust for money & power. Further, the "rank & file" of Mau-Mau/antifas/BLM are being USED by rich & powerful people, who may/may not share the desires of the "cannon fodder".

yours, sw

 

[csmkersh]

If any are interested in learning a little on the Mau-Mau insurrection of the 1950s, get Robert Ruark's book, _Something of Value_. Raurk, a white hunter, lived through the times.

 

[stand watie]

csmkersh,

EXACTLY SO.

Out of his own mouth, Robert Ruark had never fired anything but a shotgun when he & is wife Virginia arrived in Kenya from NYC. - That first safari & his lifelong friendship with professional hunter HARRY SELBY is fully recounted in his book, HORN OF THE HUNTER.
By the time of his untimely passing at age 64, he was fully competent to lead safaris himself.
(The books, SOMEONE OF VALUE: A BIOGRAHPHY OF ROBERT RUARK by Hugh Foster and VIEW FROM A TALL HILL: ROBERT RUARK IN AFRICA by Terry Weiland tell the story of his colorful & quite troubled life.)

Full disclosure: My boyhood was quite lonely & unhappy. At age 8, I was given a copy of THE OLD MAN & THE BOY & literally wore out the book reading it repeatedly. By age 14, I had read everything that Ruark wrote (By the time that I "escaped to boarding school", I had bought copies of all of his many works.) & as a result of his books also began reading the works of FREDERICK C. SELOUS, JIM CORBETT, THEODORE ROOSEVELT, JOHN H. PATTERSON, TOWNSEND WHELEN, ELMER KEITH, WALLACE TABER, CARL AKLEY, OSA JOHNSON, W.D. M. "KARAMOJA" BELL & many others.
(As a result of my hero worship of Robert Ruark, I've several times tried to buy The Old Man's house in Southport, NC & have twice unsuccessfully tried to organize a ROBERT RUARK WEEK in Southport. - Ruark was/is UNPOPULAR with "the locals" in Southport, as it was said that , "He left NC, moved to NYC, was too rich, broke the heart of his childhood sweetheart, drank too much whiskey, was divorced twice & numerous other similar "complaints". = Little towns are often like that.)

yours, sw

 

[Snake45]

Snake45,

While I would NOT argue at all about comparing the CRIMINAL/LEFTIST CRAZIES of the USA to the CRIMINAL Mau-Maus of 1950s Kenya, I wouldn't necessarily lump the Vietcong in with either group, as Charlie was a dedicated/well-trained/determined guerrilla fighter, who was seeking freedom for his view of VietNam.

Make no mistake: Today's breed of American leftist/progressive scum is every bit as dedicated and determined to their evil cause as the most hardcore VC. And they too are "seeking freedom for their view" of America.

But you're right about them not being well-trained guerrilla fighters. And I don't believe many if ANY of them are interested in or willing to die for their cause. Life is too good in 2018 America--too much to live for, dontcha know.

 

[stand watie]

Snake45,

You are correct about the hate-FILLED LEFT, their dedication to their goals AND that they are unknowing/unskilled in the arts of war. = Otoh, they have plenty of MONEY to hire vicious domestic gang-members & mercenaries from abroad (& are evil enough to do so) AND to buy the weapons that would be needed to perform any number of terrorist actions.

yours, sw

 

[dfariswheel]

Ruark's second great book about the Mau Mau was "Uhuru".
On both books, bring a strong stomach, he pulls no punches.

The American hard Left is not noted for handling much in the way of personal danger.
Only a very few in the 60's actually went to guns, mostly their bravery only extended to bombing the bathrooms in Federal buildings.

There were a few who were far enough gone to shoot with the police, but again, that was strictly limited to big cities.
The average Lefty talks a big game but when it comes to actually putting themselves into a situation where they might well eat a bullet, suddenly they aren't so radical.
The ones willing to do that were actually very rare.

Again, the vast portion of America and Americans who see any violence will be extremely rare.
You just aren't going to see ordinary Normals gun fighting with radicals in some small town in Nebraska or Texas.

There will probably be more rioting in big cities and college campuses, and as they fail to get traction this will become more and more violent with clashes with the police and possibly the National Guard if it gets too big.
This will soon get old with the authorities and the crack down will be real jail time.
Even if the big city Lefty mayors refuse to get tough, the State Governors who are mostly Republicans will.
Even the sympathetic Lefty mayors want to get reelected and when the citizens and business owners have enough the pressure will go on the mayor to do something beside slap wrists.

When they start drawing real jail time and find out prison is no fun at all, most of them will drop out, leaving only the most radical and dedicated.
Those will be manageable by the law and they'll either spend years in jail, get killed, or flee to some S**t hole country and obscurity.

The situation is, unlike Third World countries America is not tolerating of radials of any stripe Left or Right, and will not put up with any major violence.
The pressure on the politicians will go on like a blow torch to the face, and they will do whatever is necessary to protect themselves.

Even a Lefty toilet like San Francisco isn't going to tolerate constant rioting and beatings of citizens.
The business owners and the yuppie Silicon Valley workers living the good life in town will not stand for it when it starts to affect them.

So, visions of Normal Americans having to lock and load and go into small town or suburban streets to shoot at rioting Lefties just isn't going to happen.

Where I would see wide spread gun violence is if the more and more radical Dims get the power to start passing restrictive gun bans and stupidly try to confiscate them.

Today's and tomorrows Democrat party ain't your Dad's Dem party.
It's going HARD Left and will accelerate, especially if they fail this Fall.
In that case I look for a split in the party with some sort of Social Democrat hard left party splitting off, or the Old Dem party doing the splitting off.
Due to the radicalization the new Socialist Dem party will be the bigger and most trouble.
All they have to do is win control of Congress once, and God help America, also the presidency.

We live in interesting times.
On the one hand we're about to get control of the Supreme Court for a generation, and Trump is appointing great judges in the lower courts.
He's also battling the bureaucracy with some effect.

On the other hand the hard Left is becoming more and more radical and like all Lefty radicals they refuse to leave people alone.
With them about even numbers with Republicans and a dwindling number Moderates, there's going to be a rough ride for some years.

 

[Snake45]

Today's and tomorrows Democrat party ain't your Dad's Dem party.
It's going HARD Left and will accelerate, especially if they fail this Fall.
In that case I look for a split in the party with some sort of Social Democrat hard left party splitting off, or the Old Dem party doing the splitting off.

Many of them already have. They've become Republicans or Independents. This is why the Dims need to create new voters from foreign countries, convicted felons, teenagers, etc. And don't forget that they've already murdered tens of millions of their own potential voters in the womb.

Many nominal Democrats voted for Trump. We know this because Trump is in the White House and got there via regularly reliable blue states.

Interestingly, the very first two all-in Trump supports I know--like within days of his escalator announcement--are lifelong liberal Dems who both voted for Gore, Kerry, and Maobama twice. They'd finally had enough, and were ready to try Something Else. They're both glad they did, no regrets at all.