[Kevin Gibson]

Everyone's griping that Sony isn't fighting this. But I think the reason they're not fighting it is because the hackers have the crown jewels... They have EVERYTHING, probably enough to take Sony down, or seriously cripple them for a decade or more.

What's more, they have the name, address, and SSN of every Sony employee worldwide. So fight them and you run the risk of massive ID theft of your employees. Sony's exposure is probably at a level that's unprecedented.

I think Sony's doing the right thing. If this is North Korea then our government needs to handle this and let NK know in no uncertain terms, you harm a US corporation (Yes, Sony is a US corporation), and we'll harm you much worse. Lil-Kim needs to stop taking himself so seriously; no one else does.

 

[SpecialEd]

I wonder WHO sold NK the hacking expertise? Also, when hackers released explicit photos that naive starlets had on their telephone cloud accounts it was considered despicable and outrageous for anyone to repost or share the pics. But the Media is having no qualms at all about disseminating and discussing all of Sony's (and their employees) secrets and private emails, etc. How is that ok?

 

[stand watie]

SpecialEd,

What the media is doing is IMMORAL, imVho. = "The public's right to know" STOPS when it is the private life of ordinary citizens that is being invaded.

yours, sw

 

[Kevin Gibson]

I wonder WHO sold NK the hacking expertise?

Hacking is an equal rights pursuit. Anyone, anywhere in the world who puts the time and effort into it, and networks with the right people can become a world class hacker. Maybe they did buy some knowledge or ability, but there's also a chance they didn't have to.

 

[TommyGunn]

Everyone's griping that Sony isn't fighting this. But I think the reason they're not fighting it is because the hackers have the crown jewels... They have EVERYTHING, probably enough to take Sony down, or seriously cripple them for a decade or more.

What's more, they have the name, address, and SSN of every Sony employee worldwide. So fight them and you run the risk of massive ID theft of your employees. Sony's exposure is probably at a level that's unprecedented.

I think Sony's doing the right thing. If this is North Korea then our government needs to handle this and let NK know in no uncertain terms, you harm a US corporation (Yes, Sony is a US corporation), and we'll harm you much worse. Lil-Kim needs to stop taking himself so seriously; no one else does.

Let the govt. handle it? You want Obama to surrender?

OK, that really wasn't very serious.
And seriously this IS a big issue. OK, the hackers may (or may not) have "the goods" on Sony as you say.
But consider; the hackers wanted to obtain a certain result, so they threaten us with more hacking and even terroristic bombings (which they may or may not be capable of pulling off) if we don't give in.
So we give in.
What to the hackers (and other potential groups ... ) learn? They learn how to get what they want from atleast Sony, if not corporate America.
Does anyone think they'll go away? :ek:
Uh, if anyone does .... there's a bridge in Brooklyn N.Y. I'm selling for a REALLY GOOD price!

What to do? These hackers are apparently (we are told) in N. Korea. So it's not like the FBI can send in Efrem Zimbalist Jr. and Eric Hotchner ("criminal Minds reference, that last) and arrest them.
Essentially it IS a federal government problem. Also, these hackers have threatened terrorist acts. This is right on the borderline of "an act of war."
Is it?
I don't pretend to be such an expert in this area to really know. But I will say this: we are at a horrible point in history. We're facing a threat from them on one level, with a president in office who has only really learned one thing about wars; how to get us out of them no matter how "unforseeably" messy the consequences are.

Gentlemen .... we are living in interesting times. :help:

 

[Diamondback]

I'm tempted to upload a video of me taking a leak on a portrait of Lil' Kim to YouTube... "NoKo's... BRING IT, B****ES!"

Shoulda just let Mac glass Pyongyang...

 

[TommyGunn]

Hacking is an equal rights pursuit. Anyone, anywhere in the world who puts the time and effort into it, and networks with the right people can become a world class hacker. Maybe they did buy some knowledge or ability, but there's also a chance they didn't have to.

Like nuclear weapons the "genie is out of the bottle." Computers are everywhere and manuals that detail how they operate. The NorKs are vile nasty evil vicious narrow minded Naziwannabe SOBs but they ain't so stupid they can't figure out how to "hack."
We did. There had to be a first time somewhere.

SpecialEd,

What the media is doing is IMMORAL, imVho. = "The public's right to know" STOPS when it is the private life of ordinary citizens that is being invaded.

yours, sw

I agree it is immoral. But the NorKs are just exactly that. Immoral. I refer to their government not the average N. Korean who is probably trying real hard to just barely survive at a subsistance level. Those people deserve our compassion.

 

[dfariswheel]

I suspect that Sony just made a cost-benefit analysis of the situation.

1. Deep six a movie that, frankly, no one but early teen college yobs would actually pay money to see, and which would go straight to video after a few weeks in the theaters.

2. Anger some people who are actually certifiably CRAZY, and who might not have any compunction about sending agents to kill a few Sony execs in Japan or the USA.

Remember, these are people who spent over 15 years training a pair of agents to blow up a South Korean air liner, who kidnapped Japanese civilians so they could be forced to train Korean agents how to function in Japan, who hacked a couple of American soldiers to death with axes in the Demilitarized Zone, and who kidnapped a Korean actress because the Supreme Leader wanted to meet her.

When you look at it that way it's not a difficult decision.

 

[phantom4570]

Sony Pictures got hacked. They are a subsidary of Sony. Sony Pictures Entertainment - Wikipedia

The story is unfolding like a slow motion train wreck and I can't help the strong sense of shadenfreude that I feel with every story I read. They learned nothing from the previous hacks and operate like a low tech company. I do have to wonder where this corporate culture came from and if it is common in the entertainment industry.

What do the hackers learn? The same thing that kids who joyride learn. Look for cars with the keys in the ignition.

Others are enjoying the train wreck as well

 

[Kevin Gibson]

Let the govt. handle it? You want Obama to surrender?

OK, that really wasn't very serious.
And seriously this IS a big issue. OK, the hackers may (or may not) have "the goods" on Sony as you say.
But consider; the hackers wanted to obtain a certain result, so they threaten us with more hacking and even terroristic bombings (which they may or may not be capable of pulling off) if we don't give in.
So we give in.
What to the hackers (and other potential groups ... ) learn? They learn how to get what they want from atleast Sony, if not corporate America.
Does anyone think they'll go away? :ek:
Uh, if anyone does .... there's a bridge in Brooklyn N.Y. I'm selling for a REALLY GOOD price!

What to do? These hackers are apparently (we are told) in N. Korea. So it's not like the FBI can send in Efrem Zimbalist Jr. and Eric Hotchner ("criminal Minds reference, that last) and arrest them.
Essentially it IS a federal government problem. Also, these hackers have threatened terrorist acts. This is right on the borderline of "an act of war."
Is it?
I don't pretend to be such an expert in this area to really know. But I will say this: we are at a horrible point in history. We're facing a threat from them on one level, with a president in office who has only really learned one thing about wars; how to get us out of them no matter how "unforseeably" messy the consequences are.

Gentlemen .... we are living in interesting times. :help:

Letting the government handle it is Sony's only real option. If they fight back, lawyers for plaintiff's suing them can make such an easy case that Sony didn't take reasonable steps to protect their client. Sony would be sued into non-existence, like Pan-Am was after flight 103.

I don't know what exactly will be done, and we probably will never find out. But I'm betting the hackers at the NSA can produce pee-pee's that are larger than those in North Korea. If it's a hacking war they want, I'm betting we can accommodate them. In the pee-pee measuring contest with Putin over Ukraine, Putin got in some very good jabs, but since their currency will probably fail inside the next week or two, I'd say Obama clearly won that particular pee-pee measuring contest (and if you think it was anything other than Obama's sanctions that caused this, you're not paying attention). He's not as much of a wimp as you people think he is. That's the problem with "conservatives", you're so partisan that you just can't bring yourself to give the guy credit when credit is due (although personally I think Obama over-played his hand with Putin, but that's another discussion)

Sony has to protect their employees, if you ask me, that's sacred. It's been confirmed they got their names, addresses, and SSN's, so they have Sony by the short hairs. Sony would be well advised to take whatever steps they can take to protect themselves, and since they're publically traded in the US, they have a legal obligation to do so.

The US needs to hammer NK over this so they know you don't mess with a US corporation. But due to the very clandestine nature of government sponsored hacking, I don't expect we'll ever hear about how this was dealt with.

 

[Kevin Gibson]

I'm tempted to upload a video of me taking a leak on a portrait of Lil' Kim to YouTube... "NoKo's... BRING IT, B****ES!"

Shoulda just let Mac glass Pyongyang...

I'd pay movie ticket prices to see that:thumbsup:

 

[TommyGunn]

I don't know what exactly will be done, and we probably will never find out. But I'm betting the hackers at the NSA can produce pee-pee's that are larger than those in North Korea. If it's a hacking war they want, I'm betting we can accommodate them. In the pee-pee measuring contest with Putin over Ukraine, Putin got in some very good jabs, but since their currency will probably fail inside the next week or two, I'd say Obama clearly won that particular pee-pee measuring contest (and if you think it was anything other than Obama's sanctions that caused this, you're not paying attention). He's not as much of a wimp as you people think he is. That's the problem with "conservatives", you're so partisan that you just can't bring yourself to give the guy credit when credit is due (although personally I think Obama over-played his hand with Putin, but that's another discussion)

I wasn't thinking Sony was going to do anything, only hoping the government would.
It's not so much that I think Obama is a wimp, it's that I question his judgement. I don't hear anyone claiming that the sanctions aren't what's hurting Russia/Putin. Even Fox News, that evil snakepit full of nasty right-wing zealots (sorry, Geraldo & Bob Beckel) is crediting the sanctions with doing naughty things to Putin's pee-pee --- er, uh, country.
:grumble:
Kevin, anyone ever tell you your writing style is infectious?

 

[Kevin Gibson]

Kevin, anyone ever tell you your writing style is infectious?

No, but thank you.

Regarding Obama's judgment; yeah, I'm with you there.

Regarding Putin...I saw that the European Union decided to kick the man while he was down and piled on more sanctions last week. I'm getting concerned we're backing him too far into a corner...Russia still has very big teeth.

 

[Kevin Gibson]

Well let the pee-pee measuring begin...Just reported all of North Korea internet is down.

 

[TommyGunn]

Well let the pee-pee measuring begin...Just reported all of North Korea internet is down.

In the immortal words of The Simpsons' Nelson Muntz;

Ha-Ha!

GO Team America!!!