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At the risk of starting a flame war, I will only observe that this seems to be what is happening, at the same time that Hillary Clinton has landed her most effective Primary performance on the Democratic side.

I've been seeing things for the past couple months that I never thought I would see in American politics.
 

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At this point, unless Cruz and Rubio can put together a fusion ticket after tomorrow, it's Taps time. And even that may not be enough to stop Stubfinger...

Seriously, is Trump trying to be a candidate for POTUS or the next James Bond supervillain? Hell, I never thought I'd find myself supporting another Bush and for a time with Cruz and Rubio's petty bickering I was like "screw it, if you two can't be responsible adults maybe Jeb IS a better man for the job."

One thing's for sure, we're living in Interesting Times... in the Chinese sense of the word.
 

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While I'm not enamored of Trump, I'm now of the mind that we may indeed have to burn the village in order to save it. I'd vote for nearly anyone not a career politician or lawyer at this point.

And Hillary is by no means out of the woods.

"Attorney General Loretta Lynch confirmed to Congress Wednesday that career Justice Department attorneys are working with FBI agents on the criminal investigation of Hillary Clinton's email practices and the handling of classified material."

Linky.
 

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The more I listen to our national rendition of Barnum & Bailey's Finest Follies to more Trump reminds me of a school-yard bully. Cruz and Rubio, unfortunatly, seem to have decided to perform in the sideshow-circles......
Don't get me wrong I will vote for the republican .... er, um, repukeagain (?) candidate this November. I think I can hold my breath long enough.
I've listened to people on TV who supposedly know Trump and they say there in person, he does sit down and talk and is well-mannered and business-like.
I haven't seen that aspect of him. Some may laugh at that claim and I don't blame them; I've only "heard it be said it was so." But, hey, maybe there IS a little hope.
Clinton would be a disaster. Sanders would be more so but I don't think he can make it, especially after this weekend.
May Jehovah God help our country............
 

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Walt, whenever I hear the possibility being discussed of a Clinton being indicted or otherwise held accountable by anyone, I remember this line:

"Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown."

With Trump, I find it very similar to some of what is going on in Europe. People who have been ignored, put down and even attacked by an establishment looking to whoever says they recognize the problems and will fight them. In Europe, alternative parties are the way. In a two-party system, it has to be done within at least one of the two. Perot showed about the limit of what a third party could do and I have no doubt that Donald Trump studied that example very closely before deciding to jump in the GOP race. Being the one willing to use the toughest language early on matters that have been ignored in the U.S. political establishment built him a base and that base, as in many cases when people who feel ignored find a political champion, is very loyal. As a result he has carpet bombed his opposition for months, creating the remarkable possibility that a party that had about ten viable candidates going into the process may have none at the end of it. I have a feeling that if he was turning all the fire on the Democrats he wouldn't have as much opposition within the G.O.P.

That said, a couple of his proposals don't seem to be doable under conditions of objective reality. Of course, that never put off a very dedicated political base; which feels they have found a champion after years of oppression, either.

I credit the current situation to the G.O.P. brass in large part, as well as Donald Trump. The months spent backing Jeb Bush with millions of dollars while he languished in single digits boggled me. Plus the use of that money to attack Rubio, instead of Trump, directly out of line with Jeb's interests if he wanted to make a comeback. Not to mention Jeb's saying for years that he did not want to run. I am convinced that Karl Rove or some other stalwarts talked him into it, against his instinct and his better judgment. Why they decided to leave him in for months to serve as a punching bag and burn money is something only they and Jeb Bush himself could explain. Had he bowed out early he might have run for the Senate in Florida (Replacing Rubio?) or for Vice-President. Now, I not sure he will return to public life again.

On top of this, the people who savaged Rubio before now want to back him, over Ted Cruz who is the only other candidate to win a Primary. This election will be studied for some time.

Until this brewed up in the last couple months, I really thought that the Democrats would be the ones weakened by internal fighting, as Bernie Sanders gives Hillary Clinton a strong challenge. That is also a base driven by feelings that they are ignored, in the spiral of the socialist mindset. Increasing Socialism always makes things worse economically. As a result, the more hard line socialists will appeal to the people saying that the problem is that not enough socialism has been done, and the spiral feeds on itself until one either gets a Thatcher or Reagan type to break the cycle or it all collapses like the USSR did.

The situation in this country, politically, is interesting as the Chinese say indeed.
 

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I try to ignore all of this crap as much as possible. All I know is Hillary in the White House is my worst nightmare. If Mickey Mouse was the only candidate running against her, Mickey would get my vote.
 

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With the GOP seemingly ready to do a re-run with Romney is mind boggling. It merely shows their contempt for the base and willingness to do anything, including losing to Hillary, to defeat Trump.

The bright side of this whole mess is the number of folks promising to move to Canada if Trump is elected. That, in itself, should garner him some votes. :rolleyes:
 

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Just to play the devil's advocate here (and I'm no huge Trump fan): Americans routinely bemoan the fact that professional politicians have a lock on the nominations of the two parties, and that an outsider doesn't stand a chance. Now, an outsider stands a chance and everyone is beside himself.

Americans routinely complain that there isn't spit's worth of difference between the candidates of the two parties. Now (no matter who gets the Democrat nomination) there's a difference.

Perhaps Trump wouldn't be the first choice for any of us; still, could he f*** things up any worse than the current office holder, or worse than either of the two Democrats?

I'm hearing some of the same things said about Trump as were said about Barry Goldwater. I think a strong argument could be made in hindsight that Goldwater would have been a better president than Kennedy.
 

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With the GOP seemingly ready to do a re-run with Romney is mind boggling. It merely shows their contempt for the base and willingness to do anything, including losing to Hillary, to defeat Trump.

The bright side of this whole mess is the number of folks promising to move to Canada if Trump is elected. That, in itself, should garner him some votes. :rolleyes:
Hell, *I'M* contemplating seeing if my gal's folks still have that offer they made me of their spare room as a "bolt-hole" open. (It was on pretty reasonable terms, too: in her RCAF-vet dad's words, "just don't [bleep] my little girl under my roof." Irony is, "his little girl" is about ten years the senior partner in the relationship...)
 

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The GOP has often managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of Victory. Bob Dole, John McCain and Mitt Rhomney come to mind. In the last two elections the only person trying to win was Sara Palin and look what both parties did to her.
Note: I'm so liberal I wanted Colin Powell not Bob Dole.
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Who notes we finally have a protest candidate, not my first choice, but I'll take him.
 

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With the GOP seemingly ready to do a re-run with Romney is mind boggling. It merely shows their contempt for the base and willingness to do anything, including losing to Hillary, to defeat Trump.

The bright side of this whole mess is the number of folks promising to move to Canada if Trump is elected. That, in itself, should garner him some votes. :rolleyes:
I'd feel better about these promises to leave the country if I didn't remember all those a#@hats that said they'd leave if Bush 2 was reelected reneging on their word.
 

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moving to Canada ?- with the boy wonder in charge?- you guys don't know when you've got it good- I\d take trump over Obama
/Clinton any day of the week-and then we'd get Quebeckers to build the Mexican version of the Israeli wall
at least you get erase the mistakes you've made every 8 years- ours can go 17 years or more, depending on how the morons in Ontario and Quebec vote
 

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I just don't trust Trump any more than I trust Hillary; and that's REALLY saying something. I don't think a Trump presidency will be anything like his rhetoric; he's an ass, not an idiot. On top of that I'm confident that congress will keep him from doing anything colossally stupid domestically.

But his foreign policy scares the hell out of me. He is so reactionary, I think Putin will make Trump his puppet in the first 30 days. With Trump I think another war is all but guaranteed, just remains to see who we decide to pick a fight with (hopefully not Russia). With Hillary I only see a 50/50 shot at war, but there's no way in hell I can look myself in the mirror if I pull the handle for Hillary (or Trump for that matter). So great choices there...

As for Trump being the outside; B-freaking-S!!! Sure he's outside of the two parties until recently, but he's every single bit as establishment as Hillary is. Instead of pandering to the oligarchs that elect politicians, we have the opportunity to just cut out the middle man and put the oligarch in charge...see, we're becoming more like Russia ever day.

I will vote for what's going on in my state, but I can't look my kids in the eye after voting for either one of those two; I just can't do it.

I weep for this nation, I really do.
 

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I don't think so... look at how freaked out the establishment R-rats are by him.
It looks as the R-rats would rather destroy the party than let someone the people have selected win the White House.

Is Romney prepping to be a 3 time loser?
 

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I'm seeing the Attack Ads here in Florida.
Marco Rubio believes a business is a charity with infinite resources.
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Doesn't that mean he is in the WRONG PARTY!

Geoff
Who shudders thinking of alternatives.
 
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