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Amazing....but very Japanese.


Growing up, our neighbor was a survivor of the Bataan Death March. He was a great guy, the kind who'd give you the shirt off his back.....but he would never even get IN a Japanese car, let alone buy one.
 

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I went to a 7th Infantry division reunion several years ago as I served with them in Korea. A lot of WW II vets there, they fought in the Aleutians, Kwajalein, Leyte, and Okinawa. Some of them wouldn't even pass a Japanese car on the road. They still had a lot of anger.
 

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Captain Gyro,

YEP.

Fwiw, the Gold Stripe Naval Aviator (a Master Chief PO, Retired) who I occasionally see at the Ft Sam Houston Commissary is 20+ years older than I am & LOOKS not much older than I do.

yours, sw
 

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The Japanese were FIERCE soldiers...I hope we never have to face any foe like them ever again.

North Korea better not have one of their missiles land on Japan, or they'll get a taste of what we got.
The Bushido Code is what made the Japanese so ruthless in WW2. I don't believe that is taught in Japan anymore.
But I do believe the Japanese are very able to give a good accounting of themselves should Rocketman go stupid.
 

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The Koreas got quite enough of a Japanese experience prior to and during WWII for them to be quite aware of the Japanese military.
 

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The Japanese were FIERCE soldiers...I hope we never have to face any foe like them ever again.

North Korea better not have one of their missiles land on Japan, or they'll get a taste of what we got.
It took the Japanese militarists a couple decades to raise that generation of warriors. I don't think you'll find their like today.
 

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The Bushido Code is what made the Japanese so ruthless in WW2. I don't believe that is taught in Japan anymore.
But I do believe the Japanese are very able to give a good accounting of themselves should Rocketman go stupid.
There are still students of the Old Code over there... I might have mentioned this, but one of my labmates in my college's computer lab was from Japan, and he argued that Japan lost the war as karmic retribution for how Tojo and the military junta of which he was part had perverted and corrupted the Bushido--the guy actually made a persuasive argument that MacArthur and his GI's were more samurai-like in their conduct than the Imperial Army and Navy.

Guy was an interesting character... didn't fit in very well back home, and last time I saw him (keep in mind this was like 15 years ago) he was looking into options to stay here rather than go back after finishing his BA.
 

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The Japanese were FIERCE soldiers...I hope we never have to face any foe like them ever again.
We sometimes ascribe "fierceness" to soldiers, such as ISIS fighters today, when what we really mean is that they refuse to surrender when all is lost. I would argue that the United States Marines...the victors...were the fiercest warriors in the Pacific. The Japanese were merely idiotically stubborn.

And dead.
 

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We sometimes ascribe "fierceness" to soldiers, such as ISIS fighters today, when what we really mean is that they refuse to surrender when all is lost. I would argue that the United States Marines...the victors...were the fiercest warriors in the Pacific. The Japanese were merely idiotically stubborn.

And dead.
The Japanese soldier was very well trained, and very willing to kill the enemy. Studies showed that US soldiers were very hesitant to kill. Only about 12% of US soldiers would shoot to kill (unless they were in imminent danger), because they were hesitant to kill and very much preferred not to.

Conversely, over 90% of all Japanese soldiers would shoot to kill every time. So the US studied the Japanese kill program to learn how they did it, and we modeled our own after their kill program...we just made a more civilized version.

But I will agree US Marines were very fierce, and our resolve was every bit as much as was theirs. I think that really surprised the Japanese leadership, because they had never ran into an enemy with the resolve of the US Marines...Nor had they ever seen soldiers who were so incredibly competent.

But that competence came at a price. We very quickly learned, that to fight the Japanese, you need more than just the 3-1 attackers advantage.
 

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There are still students of the Old Code over there... I might have mentioned this, but one of my labmates in my college's computer lab was from Japan, and he argued that Japan lost the war as karmic retribution for how Tojo and the military junta of which he was part had perverted and corrupted the Bushido--the guy actually made a persuasive argument that MacArthur and his GI's were more samurai-like in their conduct than the Imperial Army and Navy.

Guy was an interesting character... didn't fit in very well back home, and last time I saw him (keep in mind this was like 15 years ago) he was looking into options to stay here rather than go back after finishing his BA.
VERY interesting. That is very much the perspective of many Japanese I have known over the years. They saw Imperial Japan as arrogant and greedy, willing to do anything to get what they want, and to hell with right or wrong, morality, or humanity.

I think the modern Japanese soldier still very much channels their Bushido heritate, but applies it in a much more sane manner. I doubt they're as well trained as US soldiers, but I'd be willing to bet they're downright competent...and I doubt you can say that about the average North Korean grunt.
 

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... But I will agree US Marines were very fierce, and our resolve was every bit as much as was theirs. I think that really surprised the Japanese leadership, because they had never ran into an enemy with the resolve of the US Marines...Nor had they ever seen soldiers who were so incredibly competent. .....
The U. S. Marines were absolutely fierce ... they would decapitate the dead Japanese soldiers, boil off the flesh, and mount the skulls of the enemy on their tanks, in rows. This seems almost ... tribal, by today's standards, but it did freak out the Japanese.
Any soldier in the Pacific who ... "shot to miss" .... learned to do either one of two things; die, or shoot to kill .... after he saw the Japanese soldiers in action.
 

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VERY interesting. That is very much the perspective of many Japanese I have known over the years. They saw Imperial Japan as arrogant and greedy, willing to do anything to get what they want, and to hell with right or wrong, morality, or humanity.

I think the modern Japanese soldier still very much channels their Bushido heritate, but applies it in a much more sane manner. I doubt they're as well trained as US soldiers, but I'd be willing to bet they're downright competent...and I doubt you can say that about the average North Korean grunt.
According to him, Japanese culture is such that they would still Climb Mount Niitaka or Kamikaze Up for their Emperor if so ordered, but the leadership better be Damn Sure because they're going to have a hard sell getting the authority to Go To War and give those orders again in the first place. It's like flipping a switch from Hippie Peacenik to Viking Berserker with almost nothing in between. (His hot-take on the No War clause was that it had served its purpose and was now somewhat obsolete, but to keep that reassurance of safety to the international community it should be modified to "no offensive war unless authorized or requested by our treaty partners"--I think he was envisioning something akin to the KATUSA program where Korean troops trained and fought alongside GI's under American command.)

He also thought "Bushido in spirit if not in sworn Code" was part of why MacArthur was so successful in the Occupation, in fact he argued the only one who *could* have made it work without going full-on Soviet Eastern Europe or worse. (Part of why some circles over there consider Mac as much a national hero as the Philippines and many here.)

Like I said, interesting character... every so often I wonder what he's up to these days.
 
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