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Snake, you are going on a good streak of correct guesses on where these guys are going.

It does look nice. I have to wonder if they are already planning a version with Rosewood Grips. They seem to have their next steps planned out in advance whenever they reintroduce something, and I really like what I am seeing.

It looks like they started 2020 off with a bang.

Happy New Year, gunners!
 

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Snake, you are going on a good streak of correct guesses on where these guys are going.

It does look nice. I have to wonder if they are already planning a version with Rosewood Grips. They seem to have their next steps planned out in advance whenever they reintroduce something, and I really like what I am seeing.

It looks like they started 2020 off with a bang.

Happy New Year, gunners!
I'm not 100% happy with the shape of the grips (and plywood? Really?), but they're easily changed. I just found out about a place that does pretty much exact reproductions of classic Python and Diamonback grips. (Downside: They cost about as much I paid for a whole like-new Python in 1976.) :eek:
 

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I just saw the release on my news feed (hadn’t checked GunHub yet today). Looks nice, and the listed price is very reasonable
considering revolver prices now days.

It is a wait and see thing, but I’m hopeful. Except that demand will more than likely outpace production by a country mile, and that “very reasonable” price will end up being probably twice that much in the open market.
 

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The grips are made by Altamont.

The new Python frame is obviously a Mark III-King Cobra frame altered cosmetically to look more like a Python "I" frame.

The front side plate screw is in the exact same place as the Mark III-KC.
The trigger is not as curved as the Python and the hammer looks slightly different.
They changed the original 4 inch barrel to 4 1/4 inches to satisfy Canadian laws.

I suspect that it might be a transfer bar action but until someone gets inside of one, exactly what it is, is unknown.

So there is a new Python, just not the same as the original Python.
 

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The new Python frame is obviously a Mark III-King Cobra frame altered cosmetically to look more like a Python "I" frame.

The front side plate screw is in the exact same place as the Mark III-KC.
That would be a GOOD thing. I can get my hand around the King Cobra frame. The Python frame is even bigger (in trigger reach dimension) than the Smith N, and I've never been able to hold a Python properly for good DA shooting.
 

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The new Python frame is obviously a Mark III-King Cobra frame
Listening to Tom Gresham's podcast on the new Python now. Says it's still a leaf spring, not a coil like Trooper III/V.

Also said they shot 12,000 rounds of full-tilt Magnums through it with no loosening.

I'm officially impressed.
 

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From What I Read and Hear...

Listening to Tom Gresham's podcast on the new Python now. Says it's still a leaf spring, not a coil like Trooper III/V.
...they've basically adapted the New Cobra/New King Cobra lockwork - V spring for the hammer, torsion coil spring (with legs) for he trigger return.

The key question remaining - with all the hype - is whether they will maintain quality control as they try to keep up with demand.

At least they don't need highly skilled polishers to get the deep Royal Blue of the original Pythons.
 

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I saw a photo of the action.
It looks like Colt has updated the 1890's design and combined some features of the Mark III-King Cobra.

It has a "Vee" spring powering the hammer and a rebound-like lever that powers the hand.
I still think it's a transfer bar system since Colt is using a "vee" spring in the new small frame models.

Interestingly, Colt didn't copy the straight machine cuts of the side plate as on the Mark III-KC, they kept the old harder to machine curved cuts or the "E&I" frame.

Due to the design, this is going to have a Python-like feel but it can be mass produced, so they're not going to be limited production guns.

I think Colt has a real winner here, and young shooters who've heard the legend of the original Python will be able to by a more durable updated version for less then the used car prices of the original.

This also ends the speculation that Colt is getting out of the civilian market or is closing the doors.
Colt appears to be making a major move back into the mainstream gun market.
The new Python looks like what Americans think a revolver should look like, so Ruger and S&W are going to have serious competition.
 

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...young shooters who've heard the legend of the original Python will be able to by a more durable updated version for less then the used car prices of the original.
And don't forget that Rick Grimes is the Dirty Harry of the millenials. ;)

(If you don't get that reference, consider yourself Tragically Unhip.)
 

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And don't forget that Rick Grimes is the Dirty Harry of the millenials. ;)

(If you don't get that reference, consider yourself Tragically Unhip.)
...and little Judith inherited it. At least she did. Kinda quit watching the 1st half of this season.
 

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First, I would contend that the original Python actually doesn't have any durability issues. They tend to hold up to a constant stream of magnum loads better than an N frame S&W (I've corrected timing FAR more on N frame S&W .357's than Python's).

Still, the action is clearly a simplification. Keeping the V spring is silly from an engineering perspective, but it's critical for Colt's marketing; so I get what they did there. They are selling the perception of a Python.

I doubt this is really going to affect existing Python prices much at all. Sure, we'll all take a little hit on value, but I really don't expect it will be much because most who buy Python's today are buying as collectors or just pure snob appeal...None of that has been diminished with this new Python Mk II (that's what I call it).

All that said...

This does appear to be a very nice new DA .357 revolver. I think they have S&W and Ruger beat by a good margin. Personally, I think the 4" target King Cobra has S&W and Ruger beat, so the new Python Mk II extends that lead a little more.

Colt says the internals are not cast. Barrel & frame are forged/milled. No two piece barrel. Fit & finish (even in photos) appears to be superior to both S&W and Ruger. And I suspect Colt was smart enough to not screw up the trigger pull since that's most of the Python's mystique.

In short, while it's not a "real" Python, Colt is clearly back at the top of the heap in the DA .357 market.
 

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I'm wondering about the Pawl design. Anyone know if it's a two handed pawl?

Does the new Cobra have a two handed pawl?

Just wondering if timing and lockup are going to be like old school Colt.
 

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Personally, I think the 4" target King Cobra has S&W and Ruger beat, so the new Python Mk II extends that lead a little more.
The 4" King Cobra has no competition from Smith or Ruger. It's heavier than their small revolvers, but much lighter than their heavy ones, even the Smith K. It alone occupies a particular and very interesting niche.
 

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I'm wondering about the Pawl design. Anyone know if it's a two handed pawl?

Does the new Cobra have a two handed pawl?

Just wondering if timing and lockup are going to be like old school Colt.
Since the new Cobra and King Cobra have both a "Vee" spring and a two stage hand they lock up with something like the old Colt "Bank Vault" lock up.
The new Python also has the "Vee" spring and the two stage hand.

Colt was smart about using a "Vee" spring to power the 1990's SF-VI, DS-II. and Magnum Carry and the new Cobra and KC trigger since that gives a much better feeling trigger then the usual modern coil spring.
They were even smarter to use it on the new Python to give that unique feel leaf spring actions have.
I doubt that it's going to feel exactly like the older Python with the stacking of the original, but not like a coil spring action either.

Timing of the new Python isn't going to be nearly as critical as the old Colt actions, which many people claimed went out of time too often.
I haven't gotten a better look at the internals, but it looks like Colt has used the same trigger activated cylinder locking bolt that they used on the Mark III and later transfer bar actions.
S&W uses the same bolt system.
It's simple, very easy to build, and easy to adjust for timing.

One noticeable difference on the new Python is the much longer leades in front of the cylinder locking notches.
Obviously this will improve locking, and will greatly reduce the cylinder drag line common to S&W and the later transfer bar action Colt's.
 

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I'll second that photo.....

The only time I ever bought a firearm because of a movie was "Magnum Force".
One Friday night it was on TV in a badly cut up version that network TV did back then.
The scene where the cop shoots the car full of hoods was butchered up but it reminded me that I had sold my last Python and didn't have one at the time.

Next day I ordered a new 4 inch blue. After some months the bluing started wearing in the Kydex holster so I traded it in on a 4 inch satin stainless.

Man, I REALLY miss having my stainless 4 and 6 inch Pythons, and if not for retiree money shortages I'd buy a new 4 inch 2020 version right quick.

To go with your picture........

 

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This is weird...I've noticed on this forum before people post things that I can't see. Other people do seem to see them.

I just attempted to post two links to video of shootings from "Magnum Force" but they don't show...

Anyone know what gives???
 

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This is weird...I've noticed on this forum before people post things that I can't see. Other people do seem to see them.

I just attempted to post two links to video of shootings from "Magnum Force" but they don't show...

Anyone know what gives???
I don't see anything in your post, just blank space, but if I hit the Quote button, I can see two u2be links. Have had to do this several times now.
 
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