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Man who shot self in chest 3 times expected to survive

07:01 AM CDT on Wednesday, September 1, 2004

By TIM WYATT / The Dallas Morning News

PLANO – A 33-year-old man shot himself three times in the chest during a suicide attempt at a gun range Monday afternoon, police said.

Paramedics and police were dispatched about 2 p.m. Monday to The Bullet Trap in the 2600 block of Dobie Drive near Avenue K after a man rented a gun, walked into a firing lane and turned the weapon on himself.

"We still don't know why he did it," Plano Detective Bryan Wood said Tuesday. "We're still looking into that.

"He went into the firing lane, fired two rounds down the range and, for some unknown reason, then turned the gun on himself and fired three rounds into his chest."

Detective Wood declined to release the name of the man, citing an ongoing investigation into the shooting. He said the man was taken to Plano Medical Center in critical condition and was expected to recover from his wounds.

Detective Wood said the man does not face any charges.

Matt Hall, owner of The Bullet Trap, declined to comment on the shooting and referred questions to Plano police.
 

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Well, two things. One, most folks who are shot with a handgun live. Two, I'd suspect he was using target (non-expanding) ammo.

Oh yeah - his shot placement was poor - wasn't watching his front sight ! :twisted:
 

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Alot would depend upon shot placement. There have been many cases of people putting a firearm in their mouths and pointing it up, and shooting parts of their face off and still living. At GunStock, BigMike told a story of a person that did that very thing with a long gun. As long as no major artery or organ is damaged, a person stands a good chance of living. We had an employee who was shot twice in the abdomen at a bar at fairly close range (with a 44 Mangum shooting JHP's) and he was in the hospital for 3 days, 4 days at home -- and was back on the job within a week!!!!
 

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We know one thing, ammo wasn't Quik-Shok. Had it been, there would be three small entry wounds in the chest and three gaping wounds out his back. Not the kind a doctor could easily fix. On the brighter side, the Quik-Shok segments would pose less of a risk to any bystanders that could have been near the fool. :twisted:
 

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Fernando said:
…Quik-Shok …there would be three small entry wounds in the chest…
Um, how would that have occurred?

Are you suggesting that the Triton Q-S projectiles were so aerodynamically unstable that they suffered from some sort of ballistic ejaculatio praecox?
 

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At the range I frequent they suggest cheap,reliable ball ammo if you are renting one of their auto loaders.

Mikegunner?I've seen pics of the "after" shots from some non-fatal self shootings.They weren't pretty is all I can say.

One more thing,I just can't get past the fact that they took him to a hospital.It's too bad that they couldn't just haul 'em out into the parking lot & call the morgue in about an hour.
 

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DeanSpeir said:
Um, how would that have occurred?

Are you suggesting that the Triton Q-S projectiles were so aerodynamically unstable that they suffered from some sort of ballistic ejaculatio praecox?
Three intact Quik-Shok projectiles enter the chest cavity and begin to separate into three segments apiece. This occurring in a cone shaped path. If the rounds are fired straight into the chest, the exit of these segments would be out the person's back. By that point their circle of dispersion would be around three inches or so, depending on caliber and bullet weight.

Same thing happened to the poor sap that should have been in the witness protection program in Canada, wasn't for whatever reason, and before he could testify in court got ventilated while standing in his front lawn. Multiple .45 caliber Quik-Shok projectiles entered his chest, with even more Quik-Shok segments exiting his back. It confused the crap out of the investigating officers. Little banana shaped pieces of lead do not look like your typical mushroomed bullet.
 

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My point being that there would only have been one (1!) entry wound, Fernando… unless the projectile was so anxious to trifurcate that it couldn't wait until it hit soft tissue.

 
 

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A 33-year-old man shot himself three times in the chest during a suicide attempt at a gun range Monday afternoon, police said.
Story says the man shot himself THREE times. My point is, had they been Quik-Shok instead of whatever he probably used (Cor-Bon mayber?) the outcome would be different. I never meant that a single Quik-Shok would come apart prior to impact. Dean, please slowly turn to the man in the white coat standing behind you and tell him you need your meds now. :twisted:
 

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A scrambling Fernando said:
A 33-year-old man shot himself three times in the chest during a suicide attempt at a gun range Monday afternoon, police said.
Story says the man shot himself THREE times. My point is, had they been Quik-Shok instead of whatever he probably used (Cor-Bon mayber?) the outcome would be different. I never meant that a single Quik-Shok would come apart prior to impact. Dean, please slowly turn to the man in the white coat standing behind you and tell him you need your meds now.
Ahhh, yes, Patron, but you are selectively quoting.

Please review the part where you speculated:
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Had it been, there would be three small entry wounds in the chest and three gaping wounds out his back.
Now, if it wuz CorBon (hey, Pete!, I think Fernando's diss'in' you agin!) and someone got lit up three times, then mebbe there would be an attendant "three gaping wounds out his back" as well… although that would be more likely with hardball, n'est-ce pas?

Or are you suggesting that Q-S rounds are sufficiently intelligent that, having done their "Missing Man Formation" trick within the corpus, that they look around, regroup and exit together to go off, have a beer and discuss the success of their mission?

I mean, I'm looking at one of Tom's high speed Q-S images right now, and I don't understand how any of the segments could exit a back, assuming a chest entry, let alone create an "gaping wound."

Hmmmmmn?

And, as you know, there's no "man in the white coat" anywhere around me… that's what I have m'ever-lovin' N.P. Jeanne for!
 

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After all the gelatin we shot and measurements we took at Triton, I would be the first person to say that a Quik-Shok that entered the chest from a straight frontal impact would stay within the chest cavity. Probably having the segments come to rest somewhere near the spine.

What was told to me by the investigating officer was that the rounds that were fired into the chest of the former security guard exited the back with large gaping wounds. They thought the wounds were caused by some form of expanding hollow points but were stumped at the size of the exit wounds and the shape of the retrieved segments. After that, I had to rethink the theory that frontal chest shots would stay within the chest cavity. That would also make one wonder what the Quik-Shok would have done in a cross torso angle.

My comments are based on the scenario where the Quik-Shok segments exit the back within a small circle of maybe three inches; also taking along whatever flesh and bone that remained between the segments, similar to what occurred in the mentioned shooting.

For what it’s worth, the ammo used was 165 grain .45 Super Quik-Shok.
 

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Good thing he wasn't using those Blended Metal bullets... or he would would have blown his head off!
Or those special EXTREME anti-terrorist rounds advertised in some magazines with the Ninja Guys in front of an explosion... that would have blown up the whole range!
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I think the point of the story and the comments is: If you're contemplating suicide, using a gun is a dumb option. If you screw it up, you're screwed.

Call Dr. Kevorkian instead.

Bob
 

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If you really want to die properly, go over to Fernando's joint and knock his bike over.

Simple, clean, fast, and mostly painless.
 

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Mad Ogre said:
If you really want to die properly, go over to Fernando's joint and knock his bike over.

Simple, clean, fast, and mostly painless.
Nah --

Go to Michael's on a sunny Sunday morning --- and kick over a line of bikes --- you will THEN die properly!!! (quickly too!)
 

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Or those special EXTREME anti-terrorist rounds advertised in some magazines with the Ninja Guys in front of an explosion...
If you look closely, you'll notice that the ninja/stormtroopers in the ad all have the same eyes. Yes...they are clones.
 

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Silly silly silly silly...

But funny, too.

DeanSpier, 'dem 'dar big wurds ya' usin' be confusen' mah bwain.
 

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There's a good reason for them to be clones. They're going up against an enemy armed with the mythical RHINO ammo!! There's only a couple of people who'd do that, so cloning produces the only viable source of manpower. :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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That poor bastard can't do anything right! Things were so bad, he decided to end it. He shoots himself once in the chest "OUCH! Crap, I'm still alive, and this hurts! I'd better do it again and get this over with.... Son-Of-A! Wow, this isn't going well! Well, one round left, here goes... DamnItAllToHell!"

If he had poor self esteem before, consider his state now!

I hope it was a 3 round burst, and not 3 separate, poorly aimed shots...
 
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