[TooTall]

Don't know if everyone caught this:

RICHMOND - Attorney General Mark R. Herring (D) announced Tuesday that Virginia will no longer recognize concealed carry handgun permits from 25 states that have reciprocity agreements with the commonwealth.

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The states are: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, North Dakota, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Washington, Wisconsin and Wyoming.

Agreements will remain with West Virginia, Michigan, Oklahoma, Texas and Utah.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...2ce3d0-a821-11e5-9b92-dea7cd4b1a4d_story.html

Funny thing is that I see my current State of Utah is still on the nice list. I had always thought from my reading that they were fairly lenient in granting CCW's.

 

[Kevin Gibson]

Virginians with a history of stalking, drug dealing or inpatient mental-health treatment cannot obtain a permit in a state with comparatively lax laws and carry a handgun legally at home.

I don't know if there is a provision for a due process to restore someone's rights, but it's sort of a step in the right direction; if an awkward step.

Sure it concerns me, but at least this piece of legislation seems to be targeted in the right direction. But it doesn't sound like it's well thought out.

I could actually get behind and support such legislation if it were a bit more focused. I'd want to know that the "stalkers" are actually stalkers. That those with inpatient mental health issues are evaluated and not just a wide net cast to anyone with inpatient mental health history. I'm sure domestic violence is included, but before taking away someone's rights, I'd like to know that it's absolutely proven that it really was domestic violence, and not some crazy woman making outlandish claims.

This theoretically is a step in the right direction IN CONCEPT, but seems to be your typical weak effort in deed.

 

[WaltGraham]

The primary issue for me is that several states I regularly transit will probably now cease to honor my permit.

Mark Herring can lick the pair.

 

[stand watie]

WaltGraham,


LEFTIST IDIOT, thy name is Mark Herring.

Does anyone KNOW if what he's done is even LEGAL, much less intelligent??

just my opinion, sw

 

[Diamondback]

Does Virginia have either Recall or Initiative rights?

Two simple options to pickle this Herring and serve him up on a plate of Rollmops...

Scenario 1 is a "Universal Recognition" statute. I'd love to see Phil Van Cleave of VA Citizens' Defense League get this one done and then tell Red Herring "suck on THAT," but Phil's way too classy for that.

Scenario 2 is "Automatic Reciprocity".

Either option works for telling Herring to stuff it up his turdlocker, but the first option allows considerably less room for future shenanigans by douchewaffle Ambulance Chasing Scumbag AG's.

 

[TooTall]

My thoughts are that this is yet another example of fixing a problem that doesn't exist.

I'd like to see the figures that show that CCW carriers from these 25 states are committing more crimes in Virginia than their own CCW people. Perhaps a contrast between Virginia's statistics and those of the banned 25 states.

I'm fairly sure that no such thing exists and this is just a knee-jerk move in an attempt to exert power by the Virginia AG.

 

[Tim Burke]

I'd like to see the figures that show that CCW carriers from these 25 states are committing more crimes in Virginia than their own CCW people.

I'd settle for figures that show that there are any gun crimes committed in VA by people with out of state CCWs that would not have been issued by VA.

 

[Diamondback]

Simpler fix would have been to just not honor non-resident permits from other states. (Example: Florida issues NR's, but other than theirs only honors permits for residents of the issuing state.)

That shows the Red Herring's real agenda right there...

 

[Kevin Gibson]

I'd settle for figures that show that there are any gun crimes committed in VA by people with out of state CCWs that would not have been issued by VA.

As always Tim, very insightful and a very good point.

 

[Robert Service]

"Those states hand out permits to people who are barred under the Virginia law, like fugitives, convicted stalkers and drug dealers, which undermines the state's law and puts residents at risk", he said.

The above statement by Virginia's AG seems at best inaccurate and at worst, an outright lie. Anyone know of any state that does this?

Example of an AG overstepping his authority.

 

[WaltGraham]

This has zip to do with the public good and everything to do with Herring sniffing Hillary's jock in advance of her campaign.

Taking on "gun violence" is part of her platform and he wants to be seen as having her back in a swing state in hopes of being rewarded if, perish forbid, she wins the WH.

 

[Robert Service]

Of course it has nothing to do with the "public good".
It has everything to do with political ideology and political power.

The other recent example...
The government in Seattle, is imposing additional taxes on every firearm and ammo sale within their jurisdiction. This action singles out and penalizes a segment of society that liberal minds find repugnant.

What is going on is a probing, a testing, to see what the liberal minded politicos can get away with; the risk to reward ratio is in their favor.

If they can eliminate or neuter the 2nd amendment...then anything is possible.

 

[stand watie]

Robert Service,

Personally, I truly HOPE that the leftists & the "DIMocRATS Party" are STUPID enough to make "gun control" the centerpiece of their 2016 (and the campaigns to follow) as that will ASSURE their humiliating defeat at the polls in every place but the "bluest of blue" places.

Even BILL CLINTON has cautioned his party to NOT "cause discord" about "additional gun control" & stated last Summer to "say nothing whatever about additional gun control".
(He well remembers how poorly that the DEMs did before when they "championed" gun control & their so-called "assault weapons ban".)

yours, sw

 

[William R. Moore]

Just because Virginny doesn't recognize another states CCW permit or have reciprocity with it doesn't mean they won't recognize a Virginia permit. We'll just have to see what's what in February.

Herring (boy, that's an apt name for a politico of that stripe) is just justifying his personal opinion. I believe either Walt is right or he's setting himself up as the next Governor riding in on Hildebeasts .......skirts/pants legs. I expect he's leaving stains on those pant legs.

About crime stats: be careful what you wish for, I did homicide research in the 1980s and it was truly astonishing how many stats were created out of thin air. You want independently authenticated stats.

 

[csmkersh]

go to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports for crime data.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/ucr-publications

 

[csmkersh]

When it comes to "discussing" banning so called Assault rifles I invariably refer them to Expanded Homicide Data Table 8, and point out that personal weapons are responsible for twice the number of murders than ALL TYPES OF RIFLES.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/u...able_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2010-2014.xls

 

[WaltGraham]

The VCDL is working the problem. The email members received from Van Cleave is a bit lengthy to post here, but legislation to counter Herring is in the works. And you can bet your bottom shekel that we'll remember this the next time he stands for office.

Concealed carry has also been banned in ABC stores.

But, as I've often said - no metal detectors, no foul.

 

[Tim Burke]

And I renewed my VCDL membership.

 

[WaltGraham]

' "Our General Assembly has already identified who can and cannot conceal handguns in Virginia, and we cannot have that decision undermined by recognizing permits from other states with more permissive standards," Herring said when he made the announcement last week.

Republican state legislators could strip Virginia Democrat Governor Terry McAuliffe of his protective detail. Virginia Sen. Bill Carrico told The Herald Courier last Tuesday he plans to propose a budget amendment during the State Senate's January Session that would defund the governor's protective detail. (RELATED: NRA: 6.3 Million Concealed Carry Permit Holders Affected By Virginia Gun Control Move)

"A lot of the governor's power is deferred to the General Assembly at that point and I'll be getting with my colleagues to circumvent everything this governor has done on this point," Carrico said. "I have a budget amendment that I'm looking at to take away his executive protection unit. If he's so afraid of guns, then I'm not going to surround him with armed state policemen." '

Linky

 

[bearcat6]

Don't know if everyone caught this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...2ce3d0-a821-11e5-9b92-dea7cd4b1a4d_story.html

Funny thing is that I see my current State of Utah is still on the nice list. I had always thought from my reading that they were fairly lenient in granting CCW's.

I have a non resident Utah permit. It was not difficult to get, background checks, fingerprints all that of course.