Despite the FOPA Act of 1986, NY doesn't have any "peaceable journey" laws. It doesn't matter where you are coming from or where your destination is, if you come through NY with a handgun, your dead meat.
WARNING: NY AIRPORTS!
Y'all might want to check this out:
http://www.packing.org/news/article.jsp/9745/
Then avoid NY airports (and Boston Logan) like the plague.
mb
http://www.packing.org/news/article.jsp/9745/
Then avoid NY airports (and Boston Logan) like the plague.
mb
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That's a pretty depressing thread on Packing.org… too many posters with too little information, essentially too many morons with modems… as it is everywhere!
What?!
Don't understand how this can work... What if I want to fly into NY for a pistol match?
Dean?
Don't understand how this can work... What if I want to fly into NY for a pistol match?
Dean?
One of the few exemptions in NY law for possessing a handgun without a NYS license is for non-residents licensed in their home state who are attending a match sanctioned by the NRA or IMHSA. Here's the relevant section containing the exemption [NYS Penal law section 265.20 (13)]:
Exemptions.
a. Sections 265.01, 265.02, 265.03, 265.04, 265.05, 265.10, 265.11, 265.12, 265.13, 265.15 and 270.05 shall not apply to:
13. Possession of pistols and revolvers by a person who is a nonresident of this state while attending or traveling to or from, an organized competitive pistol match or league competition under auspices of, or approved by, the National Rifle Association and in which he is a competitor, within forty-eight hours of such event or by a person who is a non-resident of the state while attending or traveling to or from an organized match sanctioned by the International Handgun Metallic Silhouette Association and in which he is a competitor, within forty-eight hours of such event, provided that he has not been previously convicted of a felony or a crime which, if committed in New York, would constitute a felony, and further provided that the pistols or revolvers are transported unloaded in a locked opaque container together with a copy of the match program, match schedule or match registration card. Such documentation shall constitute prima facie evidence of exemption, providing that such person also has in his possession a pistol license or firearms registration card issued in accordance with the laws of his place of residence. For purposes of this subdivision, a person licensed in a jurisdiction which does not authorize such license by a person who has been previously convicted of a felony shall be presumed to have no prior conviction. The superintendent of state police shall annually review the laws of jurisdictions within the United States and Canada with respect to the applicable requirements for licensing or registration of firearms and shall publish a list of those jurisdictions which prohibit possession of a firearm by a person previously convicted of a felony or crimes which if committed in New York state would constitute a felony.
Anybody arriving at the airport with the required documentation should be allowed to proceed on to the match.
Exemptions.
a. Sections 265.01, 265.02, 265.03, 265.04, 265.05, 265.10, 265.11, 265.12, 265.13, 265.15 and 270.05 shall not apply to:
13. Possession of pistols and revolvers by a person who is a nonresident of this state while attending or traveling to or from, an organized competitive pistol match or league competition under auspices of, or approved by, the National Rifle Association and in which he is a competitor, within forty-eight hours of such event or by a person who is a non-resident of the state while attending or traveling to or from an organized match sanctioned by the International Handgun Metallic Silhouette Association and in which he is a competitor, within forty-eight hours of such event, provided that he has not been previously convicted of a felony or a crime which, if committed in New York, would constitute a felony, and further provided that the pistols or revolvers are transported unloaded in a locked opaque container together with a copy of the match program, match schedule or match registration card. Such documentation shall constitute prima facie evidence of exemption, providing that such person also has in his possession a pistol license or firearms registration card issued in accordance with the laws of his place of residence. For purposes of this subdivision, a person licensed in a jurisdiction which does not authorize such license by a person who has been previously convicted of a felony shall be presumed to have no prior conviction. The superintendent of state police shall annually review the laws of jurisdictions within the United States and Canada with respect to the applicable requirements for licensing or registration of firearms and shall publish a list of those jurisdictions which prohibit possession of a firearm by a person previously convicted of a felony or crimes which if committed in New York state would constitute a felony.
Anybody arriving at the airport with the required documentation should be allowed to proceed on to the match.
Most states do not require a license or registration to possess a handgun. Am I correct that a would-be competitor who does not have a carry permit from his home state would not be able to participate in a match in New York?LIProgun said:One of the few exemptions in NY law for possessing a handgun without a NYS license is for non-residents licensed in their home state who are attending a match sanctioned by the NRA or IMHSA.
Because the exempting statute explicitly requires "that such person also has in his possession a pistol license or firearms registration card issued in accordance with the laws of his place of residence," it appears that a competitor would indeed need either a FOID or license from his or her home state to fall within the exemption. So, for example, if you lived in Vermont, where there is neither a CCW nor a FOID issued, you could never legally compete in NY.
Practical Shooting
Thanx LIProgun! Now, is a USPSA match considered "...under auspices of, or approved by, the National Rifle Association" :?:
Nemo
Thanx LIProgun! Now, is a USPSA match considered "...under auspices of, or approved by, the National Rifle Association" :?:
Nemo
Again, not to be on the negative side here, but just because you have the correct documentation, the law on your side and all the "t's" crossed doesn't mean you escape an all-expenses-paid trip to the Tombs.
New York is in the THIRD WORLD! It is no different from trying to get into or out of Columbia, except that the locals speak marginally better English and the food you buy on the street probably won't send you screaming for the bathroom.
When I lived in The City, I was (initially) amazed at how much had to be accomplished by bribes, although it did give me training for my later traveling.
And yeah yeah yeah, you can get a lawyer and you can go to court and...by the way, how big is your bank account? How much equity you got in your house? How much could you sell all your guns for? Court is a *very* expensive game to play...
Okay, I'll go take some CYNIC-BE-GONE pills now!!! Maybe go to the movies and watch COLLATERAL.
mb
New York is in the THIRD WORLD! It is no different from trying to get into or out of Columbia, except that the locals speak marginally better English and the food you buy on the street probably won't send you screaming for the bathroom.
When I lived in The City, I was (initially) amazed at how much had to be accomplished by bribes, although it did give me training for my later traveling.
And yeah yeah yeah, you can get a lawyer and you can go to court and...by the way, how big is your bank account? How much equity you got in your house? How much could you sell all your guns for? Court is a *very* expensive game to play...
Okay, I'll go take some CYNIC-BE-GONE pills now!!! Maybe go to the movies and watch COLLATERAL.
mb
Re: Practical Shooting
Oh, and Bane, lay off a bit. Some of us NYC lawyers are trying to make a living here. :twisted:
I don't believe so. The NRA sanctions Action Pistol (e.g., Bianchi Cup) matches, but not USPSA/IPSC matches, AFAIK. Maybe some of the USPSA competitors here know better.Nemo said:Thanx LIProgun! Now, is a USPSA match considered "...under auspices of, or approved by, the National Rifle Association" :?:
Oh, and Bane, lay off a bit. Some of us NYC lawyers are trying to make a living here. :twisted:
My girlfriend the Colorado lawyer is in the midst of closing a gigantic bidness deal for one of her clients. If you say "NYC lawyer" to her, she begins wildly dry-firing at her computer screen...
Then it can't be that bad, yet. When it prompts her to live fire at the screen, watch out.
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