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Picked up an inexpensive M1 sling on e-bay. Seller (sundance32us) claimed in the ad that it's USGI and original.

It's made of cotton web and all the removable bits are parked, but the metal end tab crimped onto the sling is blued???

No markings whatsoever.

Were original REAL slings ever made with blued end tabs? And for that matter, all the verifyable original slings I've seen were green - not tan. And most also had ink markings...?

Is this a fake? I honestly can't believe someone would bother to fake such a common item, but...?

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Original military tan canvas sling for the Garand rifle, we purchased a lot of these from military surplus and they were never issued, complete with correct hardware. this sling is in mint condition.
 

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Looks like one of those fakes. I bought one also but I knew it was a foriegn made reproduction. The price was right (several years ago) and it works fine.
 

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Claven2, I don't know if it's the same thing; but I bought 3 tan slings from Cheaper Than Dirt and I see them for sale on various auction sites. First of all, if you're interested in a tan sling, get it from Cheaper Than Dirt. They're only $7. You can buy three of them for the price of one from an auction site. Second of all, the ones that Cheaper Than Dirt are selling are USGI. They came with the NSN number (on a paper in the bag), the slings I got were made in 1991. Meaning--they were made for the first Gulf War. That's why they're tan. They are great quality (being USGI) and you can't beat the price! Here they are:

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MGR015-1393-1159.html

Looking at it, they're $7.97 now; but still a great deal.

Hope this helps!
 

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LOL - so many fakes!

I have another inbound from Northridge this time. We'll see if it's a fake too or not? I think it was $8 and I needed to buy something to get over the order minimum on a milled trigger guard I had to order ;)

In the meantime I contacted the e-bay seller before I slap him with a negative. We'll see what he has to say.
 

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Here is the label that was being sold. Today, since it was exposed as a fake, the label is no longer used.

[IMG=left]http://www.billricca.com/fakes/desertsling.jpg[/IMG]

There is not such thing as a desert sling, or a day sling. This label is a hoax and not government issue. This was purchased from CTD about two years ago.

The sling is an imported light weight copy. If you like it for the price, fine. But don't give everybody the line that is US Military issue. The feedback on the sling sales page is made up of people that don't have a clue as to government procurement and contracts.

Orlando has it correct. CTD = Fake.

As far as why would anybody fake a $20.00 sling?

Tan is not Khaki, but it is second best, in the opinion of some, to simulate WWII Khaki. An original WWII Khaki sling sells for $85.00 and up, depending upon condition and markings.

$20.00??? Guess again.
 

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Claven2 - The ones from Northridge are Danish if I recall correctly, and generally good condition - not fakes from ChinA or ChinB (Taiwan), but not USGI either.[IMG=left]http://www.odcmp.org/new_forum/icon_smile_big.gif[/IMG]
 

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I just LOVE the response from the seller.

we purchased a lot of these slings as USGI unissued and have been selling them as such. we have sold hundreds of them without complaints and now you.
I am no expert on these items, just sell them as what I purchase. if you are not satisfied with the sling then you are welcome to return it less s/h as stated in the auction for a refund. If you leave neg feedback I will also and if you are such an expert you should have been able to tell it was a so called "fake" from the pictures.
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Not to defend the seller, but often fake items create collateral damage to others.

My response would be "if you have such a large quantity of brand new slings, at least a small percentage will still be in government wrap. I would like to see the wrap".

I had a ball with Sportsmens Guide and their old time fake Garand Flash Hiders. It almost ended in a law suit. Today they use a vague nondescript description so it cannot come back on them.
 

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Last weekend at a gunshow I paid $15 for what I assume is a green repro sling. As I want to use it as a sling on a working rifle, and it seems quite sturdy and well-made, I'm not that concerned about whether it's a "real" one or not. At the same show, VERY dirty, worn, rusty real ones were carrying $10 price tags. I'd rather have the repro.

BTW, my new one seems to be better made than the obvious repro that came standard with my Polytech M-14S (which I now use on a semidedicated .22LR conversion AR).
 

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Same seller, very clever description:

"GI Style, WWII...".

Note he does not state that this reproduction pouch is US GI, just "GI Style". He also does not state is a reproduction.

Descriptions like this one prevent the buyer from holding the seller responsible for misrepresentation. A vague description is the best way to offer fake stuff and remain safe.

It would be interesting to monitor his items.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...arch.ebay.com:80/120179023789_ ... R40QQfviZ1

His "WWII US GI Carbine Sling" auction has a very poor picture so it is hard to see for sure. With this track record, buyer beware.
 
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