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Has anyone received (or heard of anyone else receiving) their replacement R51?

There has been surprisingly little news since July, when R51 owners were promised replacements beginning in October (of 2014, I assume.)
 

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I have not heard of anyone receiving a replacement R-51.
I sent mine in for replacement but I did it somewhat late compared to many others, so I am assuming that I will also be receiving my replacement later than those.
Remington was planning on starting to get the new ones out in October, a date that they obviously will not make unless they have a time machine, and if that time machine works as well as their old version R-51s those guns might wind up in the hands of General Custer and his 7th at the Little Bighorn, and Ol' Yellowhair will still lose.
I dunno what is going on. Remington is moving some of their production to Alabama, and this may be complicating issues.
At this point I'm thinking November and December will be the more realistic goal.

I am not really overly anxious to get it back; I have other guns to fill the role. My real concern is that the replacements are made very well. The R-51 is externally a very nice looking gun and it just "fit" my hand and pointed very well. Shame Remington did such a botched up job of hacking up .... well, milling the interior parts.
We're all on the outside of the Remington fishbowl looking in and the snarky little goldfish inside have spray-painted all the glass so we can't see a thing. I don't know if even THEY know, really, what's going on, or when they will start sending out new guns. I was pretty certain they were going to miss the October dateline, and take no pleasure I was right. However, my crystal ball is better at predicting things that won't happen than what will these days.
 

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The One-Year Rule

One piece of advice that I have come to appreciate from Evan Marshall is to wait at least one year (for debugging) before purchasing any newly designed firearm. I'm sure that most forum members can comb their memories and come up with numerous examples of recalls and "voluntary product upgrades" during that first year.
 

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:shocked:B-b-b-but it was SUCH A NICE LOOKING GUN!!:bolt:

Seriously, Spwenger, your advice is wise.
But, OTOH, what Remington did to those guns was a little "beyond" bugs.
The insides looked as though they'd been made by the Ape Man of Borneo with a chisel and rat-tail file.
 

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One piece of advice that I have come to appreciate from Evan Marshall is to wait at least one year (for debugging) before purchasing any newly designed firearm. I'm sure that most forum members can comb their memories and come up with numerous examples of recalls and "voluntary product upgrades" during that first year.
That's very good advice. I personally wait a good while longer than one year.
 

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Heck, I didn't embrace the 1911 until almost a hundred years after it was introduced. I was hoping the rest of you would get the kinks worked out.

It appears that you did...nice work.
 

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I Thought...

Heck, I didn't embrace the 1911 until almost a hundred years after it was introduced. I was hoping the rest of you would get the kinks worked out.

It appears that you did...nice work.
...that the Army had done most of the debugging on the 1911, at least by 1927. :cryinlaugh:

Now if we could just get everyone else from trying to make a silk purse from a sow's ear, expecting to get a pistol with battlefield reliability to keep performing as such after tuning it as a target pistol... :banghead:
 

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I strongly suspect the R51 buyers are going to get an R1911 offer. Now, if they put special serial numbers on them and make instant collectables, will that be a marketing success or just a technological failure?

Geoff
Who is a curious fellow running late out the door, darn time change...my excuse for the rest of the year.
 

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I strongly suspect the R51 buyers are going to get an R1911 offer. Now, if they put special serial numbers on them and make instant collectables, will that be a marketing success or just a technological failure?

Geoff
Who is a curious fellow running late out the door, darn time change...my excuse for the rest of the year.
Is the R1911 a good gun?
I ... "might" be willing to accept such an offer as I don't have a 1911 and would like one. But I do like the R-51 and would really prefer a replacement version, supposedly with better made insides.
Meh. I don't have to decide today -- thankfully.
 

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Well, it is a nice looking gun ~~ except for that trigger. I know it cuts weight but I don't like triggers with holes in them. I didn't care for the R-51's trigger either for the same reason but it didn't stop me from buying the gun so I guess in the end it won't be a deal breaker here should I decide on this gun -- and Remington actually makes the offer.
 

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Well, it is a nice looking gun ~~ except for that trigger. I know it cuts weight but I don't like triggers with holes in them. I didn't care for the R-51's trigger either for the same reason but it didn't stop me from buying the gun so I guess in the end it won't be a deal breaker here should I decide on this gun -- and Remington actually makes the offer.
At least you're honest about it, and don't try to cover it up with something "tactical" as an excuse. I recall the early triggers had no holes and I'm betting some study group found the aesthetics better with the holes and that's why it has holes.

I'm like you, I prefer triggers without the holes, but it's not anything I really get my feathers ruffled over.

It's funny, but gun people are very "trendy" and "fashion conscious." Believe me, people will buy the "trendy" gun over the better gun 7 out of 10 times.

Some "trends" in 1911's right now that I just can't seem to explain other than a "fashion trend". Silver colored triggers, and stainless barrel bushings. Aesthetically speaking, a silver trigger or barrel bushing on an otherwise all black gun just looks a bit goofy to me; but that's me.

An example, my carry gun is the S&W M1911PD; why does it have a stainless barrel bushing?



At first I thought, well most of the S&W 1911's are stainless, so they're just simplifying the supply lines. But then, it's a Commander, so it would have to be a different barrel bushing anyhow. But then look at the work of custom builders all over the place, and most custom 1911's have a stainless bushing regardless of the finish.

Even on Ed Brown's ultra high grade pistol, stainless barrel bushing


Dovetailed front sights are very trendy. I mean, on presentation grade 1911's you now have smith's installing a dovetailed front sight, but then doing everything they can do to cover up the dovetail. Wide tenons were created to firmly secure a front sight, and it works perfectly if you peen the tenon correctly. If someone was particularly paranoid, a dab of silver solder, or epoxy could serve as a backup. But have a full custom gun built without a front dovetailed front sight, and all manner of people will be saying how anything but a dovetailed front sight is foolish. And here's the funny part... which is more likely, having your staked front sight come off, or have your dovetailed front sight get moved in the dovetail (I personally don't see either as very likely)? Personally, I've yet to see anything more secure than the Millett dual crimp system, but for some reason that system has been rejected by the gun snobs.

Don't get me wrong, I like dovetailed front sights. But if I were building a presentation grade gun, you can bet your arse it wouldn't have a dovetail up front; that's just silly. Carry gun, yeah I'd do the dovetail and install a front sight with a set screw.

Flat mainspring housings are semi-trendy. I've had people tell me that an arched MSH felt better in their hand and pointed more naturally, and then bought the gun with the flat MSH because they liked the look.

For a while Bo-Mar's were THE sight to have. Then along came Novak and everyone had to have the Novak sight. Then it was the Heinie and suddenly "everyone" has to have the Heinie sight. I've lost track of what the trendy sight is today; guess I just don't know my guns.

A new trend seems to be the "VZ Grips" and grips like them. Basically a tough synthetic that is CNC patterned. Again, they're very good grips (some I find to be too rough) and good looking. But suddenly "everyone" has to have them.

I remember when Pachmayr wrap around grips were IT, the best. When front strap checkering came along, suddenly people are talking about how bad rubber grips are and how they'd never have a gun with rubber grips.

Sometimes I get the feeling 50% of the reason people buy guns that look just like everyone else is so they don't have to "justify" a difference to their friends.

Oh and look at 4" .44 magnums. I'll bet they sell 10 4" .44's for every 1 of a longer barrel they sell. Remember when everyone wanted the 8 3/8" .44's?

Oh and while on the subject of revolver, how about "hard cast bullets"? Apparently JHP's just completely stopped working on game.

And you think handguns can be trendy, wait until you get a group of AR aficionado's together. You'd swear it's fashion week.
 

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Kevin Gibson,

Slightly OFF-topic but the BEST-looking 1911 clone that I've seen lately was a standard size .38Super made in the Phillipines, that was the "new & as issued" handgun that belongs to a local Pct. 3 Deputy Constable . = NICE machining, NICE bluing, SMOOTH rosewood-looking grips & SMOOTH as silk/light trigger.
(I wonder if it was some sort of a extra-cost "premium issue"?????)

DC Torres said that, "It feeds 'flying ashtrays', just fine, thanks.

yours, sw
 

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LOL, my tastes have stayed pretty simple and unchanged over my fifteen years in the game: basically plain ol' GI Milspec other than maybe going for a longer barrel/slide assembly, an ambi mag catch and maybe some better "handing" on the controls (slide-stop on finger side, ejection and safety on thumb side--I've flipped on ejection, but nothing else) and maybe a short, highly-polished-surface trigger.

And if someone wants to sell me a 1911, it still better have an arched MSH.
 

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I've had 3 folks go through my Inter-Agency class at Pima County SERP and they were totally reliable through 500+ founds in 2 days. I'd get one in a second.
 

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Well, I shot 5 rounds through the R51 and it worked. I've never had a moments trouble with Ruger, Remington or S&W 1911s.

I did have to do a major rescue job on a Philipine gun (not Armscor) that went fa due to very soft sear and hammer that would not stay cocked. I think the 1911 may be the next growth industry there. It seems like there are at least two or three other names besides Armscor
 
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